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There are special occasions, where the tax hurts normal players:
the most important occasion for me is if a key player loses his form - and as long as form has such a huge impact on the game, and as long as managers have no reliable options to influence the form, this tax increase the bad feelings if a player has to be replaced due to his form.
so a reform of the players form gets even more urgent than it already was before.
the most important occasion for me is if a key player loses his form - and as long as form has such a huge impact on the game, and as long as managers have no reliable options to influence the form, this tax increase the bad feelings if a player has to be replaced due to his form.
so a reform of the players form gets even more urgent than it already was before.
Yes, its similar to the injury case. The form of the player was "injured" :D
Like Lewandowski in Barcelona.
The form brings a good randomness to the game, i would keep it, just maybe give us an option to influence it, but just a bit. Also the option cannot be dependent on money, because that would be a disadvantage for new players.
The thing is that this would be "a bigger" change, therefore i dont have high hope for this.
Like Lewandowski in Barcelona.
The form brings a good randomness to the game, i would keep it, just maybe give us an option to influence it, but just a bit. Also the option cannot be dependent on money, because that would be a disadvantage for new players.
The thing is that this would be "a bigger" change, therefore i dont have high hope for this.
I'm looking it from perspective Iran, Ghana, Honduras...etc. users!
How they expect this tax to influence their budget? I can make it trough while having 20-25M (for now) worth players. I'm far from daytrader an have 2 times in short time started from 0.
I'm talking about problems I and another new users are encountering.
I'm just asking to explain and reconsider some decisions made!
How they expect this tax to influence their budget? I can make it trough while having 20-25M (for now) worth players. I'm far from daytrader an have 2 times in short time started from 0.
I'm talking about problems I and another new users are encountering.
I'm just asking to explain and reconsider some decisions made!
I don’t think newer teams are necessarily disadvantaged anyway by this. Most of the trading activities you’d be buying for small amounts and training a bit and selling for a lot more (and that amount will almost certainly be greater than the 25% tax). So you’re losing some potential money (not really losing money since you never had it) but it’s not stopping you from continuing that strategy. You might just need to choose better investments then the ones who don’t net you enough of a profit to cover the tax when reselling.
It might impact others buying replacements for one off games if they do that regularly. I’m still not sold that this is a huge deal though.
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It might impact others buying replacements for one off games if they do that regularly. I’m still not sold that this is a huge deal though.
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Man... Is not a good player for Turkye but is One of The Best future defenders in Honduras u21
Like I said, I'm done with selection for now, and I have 9 places 17-19y talented players, with same training affinities, and waiting 3 16y juniors in few weeks... one I invested 8000, longest in club, now worth 1.5-2.5M ready for TL. I can shut up and wait to market fix itself, like always did.
But not forget mentioning they start with 250k: must buy coaches, if they buy player with higher salary, can be they go bankrupt in short time, or lose money just lacking right/actual information in rules! I will stop writing asking for explanation how they came to this calculation and why, while I see nobody care anyway...
But not forget mentioning they start with 250k: must buy coaches, if they buy player with higher salary, can be they go bankrupt in short time, or lose money just lacking right/actual information in rules! I will stop writing asking for explanation how they came to this calculation and why, while I see nobody care anyway...
Actually, I am not doing what you are describing. You don't believe that I am forming players? I think I am delivering a nice amount of good strikers to the market.
You are not. You are just buying and then training, like everyone. There's no philosophy in that. There's no forming or delivering. You take from the market, then you sell.
You are picturing this situation in a way it's not true.
You are making it sound like we have 100 traders in the game or more. And that is not the truth.
Doesn't matter if it's 1000, 100 or 50. There's lots of mass traders who wind up the transfers prices by bidding everyone they see as a possible investment. It has nothing to do with football, it's just massive trading.
Among other things, it fucks up the youth market for new users who are unable to buy half-decent youths.
...and say what you like, but trading produces more great players.
Bullshit, trading produces nothing. It adds nothing.
Is it good for NEW users? YES.
It's not. It makes them HAVE to mass trade, otherwise they will be shit forever. The whole system is fucked up, but it suits you, so you are happy. You don't care about new users, you care about your trading.
This is not supposed to be a massive trading game. It's supposed to be a football manager game - about tactics, training, trophies, youth schools. Massive fast trading MUST be limited, other forms (like long-term training) must bring more reward in comparison to trading. Simple as that.
New users don't come here to make 20 transfers a month. They don't register for meat trading manager. They register to play as football manager.
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You are not. You are just buying and then training, like everyone. There's no philosophy in that. There's no forming or delivering. You take from the market, then you sell.
You are picturing this situation in a way it's not true.
You are making it sound like we have 100 traders in the game or more. And that is not the truth.
Doesn't matter if it's 1000, 100 or 50. There's lots of mass traders who wind up the transfers prices by bidding everyone they see as a possible investment. It has nothing to do with football, it's just massive trading.
Among other things, it fucks up the youth market for new users who are unable to buy half-decent youths.
...and say what you like, but trading produces more great players.
Bullshit, trading produces nothing. It adds nothing.
Is it good for NEW users? YES.
It's not. It makes them HAVE to mass trade, otherwise they will be shit forever. The whole system is fucked up, but it suits you, so you are happy. You don't care about new users, you care about your trading.
This is not supposed to be a massive trading game. It's supposed to be a football manager game - about tactics, training, trophies, youth schools. Massive fast trading MUST be limited, other forms (like long-term training) must bring more reward in comparison to trading. Simple as that.
New users don't come here to make 20 transfers a month. They don't register for meat trading manager. They register to play as football manager.
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"The problem is not trading don't be blinded by that. The problem IS the game is not rewarding being competitive, among other things. BLAME Raul for that. And yes it's in capital letters."
In my limited time back, I completely agree with this point. At least in America, the difference between B and A league, and A and Major league, is massive. Promotion typically (but not always) results in relegation and an unhappy fan base. I'm sitting in second place in ML right now, but I promise you it's temporary. I'm playing the bottom half of the league right now. The top half of the league are going to massacre me.
The alternative? Sandbag and stay in my old A league. doing that would be boring as hell. I walked through it last season, and it's worse now. People botting out every day.
Good new managers that are trying to achieve are generally just getting smacked in the face over and over again. Trash starting income and stadium, unforgiving fan base upon promotion, and now they are forced to stay bad for months because of how this new tariff is configured. Geston's alternative wouldn't be nearly as bad, and would punish the flippers specifically. (edit: not to mention the large learning curve to setting up a training program)
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In my limited time back, I completely agree with this point. At least in America, the difference between B and A league, and A and Major league, is massive. Promotion typically (but not always) results in relegation and an unhappy fan base. I'm sitting in second place in ML right now, but I promise you it's temporary. I'm playing the bottom half of the league right now. The top half of the league are going to massacre me.
The alternative? Sandbag and stay in my old A league. doing that would be boring as hell. I walked through it last season, and it's worse now. People botting out every day.
Good new managers that are trying to achieve are generally just getting smacked in the face over and over again. Trash starting income and stadium, unforgiving fan base upon promotion, and now they are forced to stay bad for months because of how this new tariff is configured. Geston's alternative wouldn't be nearly as bad, and would punish the flippers specifically. (edit: not to mention the large learning curve to setting up a training program)
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"This is not supposed to be a massive trading game. It's supposed to be a football manager game - about tactics, training, trophies, youth schools. Massive fast trading MUST be limited, other forms (like long-term training) must bring more reward in comparison to training. Simple as that.
New users don't come here to make 20 transfers a month. They don't register for meat trading manager. They register to play as football manager."
I totally agree with this, too. It's why I play. I'm only interested in the trading game enough that I can afford to actually make progress (stadium, etc)
New users don't come here to make 20 transfers a month. They don't register for meat trading manager. They register to play as football manager."
I totally agree with this, too. It's why I play. I'm only interested in the trading game enough that I can afford to actually make progress (stadium, etc)
"I don’t think newer teams are necessarily disadvantaged anyway by this"
Sure they are. They are already a decade behind the competition, so any change that's made across the board will slow their progress even more. While folks like you generate and sit on millions of dollars, the new B team in America that promotes has a trash stadium and no way to survive, financially or otherwise. I made all kinds of mistakes with trainees my first couple seasons, and I flipped several of them in 4-6 weeks. That would have crippled me now.
and I mostly knew what I was doing.
Sure they are. They are already a decade behind the competition, so any change that's made across the board will slow their progress even more. While folks like you generate and sit on millions of dollars, the new B team in America that promotes has a trash stadium and no way to survive, financially or otherwise. I made all kinds of mistakes with trainees my first couple seasons, and I flipped several of them in 4-6 weeks. That would have crippled me now.
and I mostly knew what I was doing.
I made all kinds of mistakes with trainees my first couple seasons, and I flipped several of them in 4-6 weeks. That would have crippled me now.
and I mostly knew what I was doing.
Exactly
and I mostly knew what I was doing.
Exactly
other forms (like long-term training) must bring more reward in comparison to training.
You meant "training" or "trading" at the end of that pasted fragment?
You meant "training" or "trading" at the end of that pasted fragment?
Trading*
Long-term training should bring more reward than short-term massive trading.
Long-term training should bring more reward than short-term massive trading.
As always, no point in arguing anything with you. Always distorting.
Trading doesn't produce more great players? Care to explain please. More players trained, more players in the market, for everybody.
I don't care about new users? Who are you to say that? Do you?? I care more about new users than I care about teams like you for sure. You have no idea what I do or how I help people that send me dm in spain. And of course I always try to speak thinking about them, not myself. But from a younger, quicker perspective, which seems to be wrong here. Because I know how hard it is to develop in this game, probably you have forgotten that. We simply don't want to require 7 years to "catch you". Don't you see it's silly that a new user in 7 years still may not be able to compete with you? After 7 years!
You and all your "traders must be erradicated" gang fine, that's what you always wanted. But the real situation is definitely not the tsunami you are trying to picture here.
And why do you bring up such ExaggerateD numbers? 20 transfers a month? In your wet dreams maybe. Nobody ever said that. A whole season of training...is that also trading? THAT'S what we are talking about. Not your ridiculous examples. Now you eat a 20% and to get to that 10% need 40 weeks. Crazy.
Frankly, it always seemed to me there was something odd in this game. And it's the speed probably. Or the age? But I'm not sure what would happen here if a bunch of 20 somethings came here....if they ever stay, not come. It's almost like this game is for you guys, not for us. Young people are not compatible here. In character and in everything.
And regarding trading to me it looks like you are blaming trading of all the errors this game HAS which haven't been addressed and turned into flaws so now trading must be eradicated. Because the other things of the game are so wrong? Can't wait to see all normal teams barely breaking even or losing money by training normal with the taxes. For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
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Trading doesn't produce more great players? Care to explain please. More players trained, more players in the market, for everybody.
I don't care about new users? Who are you to say that? Do you?? I care more about new users than I care about teams like you for sure. You have no idea what I do or how I help people that send me dm in spain. And of course I always try to speak thinking about them, not myself. But from a younger, quicker perspective, which seems to be wrong here. Because I know how hard it is to develop in this game, probably you have forgotten that. We simply don't want to require 7 years to "catch you". Don't you see it's silly that a new user in 7 years still may not be able to compete with you? After 7 years!
You and all your "traders must be erradicated" gang fine, that's what you always wanted. But the real situation is definitely not the tsunami you are trying to picture here.
And why do you bring up such ExaggerateD numbers? 20 transfers a month? In your wet dreams maybe. Nobody ever said that. A whole season of training...is that also trading? THAT'S what we are talking about. Not your ridiculous examples. Now you eat a 20% and to get to that 10% need 40 weeks. Crazy.
Frankly, it always seemed to me there was something odd in this game. And it's the speed probably. Or the age? But I'm not sure what would happen here if a bunch of 20 somethings came here....if they ever stay, not come. It's almost like this game is for you guys, not for us. Young people are not compatible here. In character and in everything.
And regarding trading to me it looks like you are blaming trading of all the errors this game HAS which haven't been addressed and turned into flaws so now trading must be eradicated. Because the other things of the game are so wrong? Can't wait to see all normal teams barely breaking even or losing money by training normal with the taxes. For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
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