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As always, no point in arguing anything with you. Always distorting.
Trading doesn't produce more great players? Care to explain please. More players trained, more players in the market, for everybody.
I don't care about new users? Who are you to say that? Do you?? I care more about new users than I care about teams like you for sure. You have no idea what I do or how I help people that send me dm in spain. And of course I always try to speak thinking about them, not myself. But from a younger, quicker perspective, which seems to be wrong here. Because I know how hard it is to develop in this game, probably you have forgotten that. We simply don't want to require 7 years to "catch you". Don't you see it's silly that a new user in 7 years still may not be able to compete with you? After 7 years!
You and all your "traders must be erradicated" gang fine, that's what you always wanted. But the real situation is definitely not the tsunami you are trying to picture here.
And why do you bring up such ExaggerateD numbers? 20 transfers a month? In your wet dreams maybe. Nobody ever said that. A whole season of training...is that also trading? THAT'S what we are talking about. Not your ridiculous examples. Now you eat a 20% and to get to that 10% need 40 weeks. Crazy.
Frankly, it always seemed to me there was something odd in this game. And it's the speed probably. Or the age? But I'm not sure what would happen here if a bunch of 20 somethings came here....if they ever stay, not come. It's almost like this game is for you guys, not for us. Young people are not compatible here. In character and in everything.
And regarding trading to me it looks like you are blaming trading of all the errors this game HAS which haven't been addressed and turned into flaws so now trading must be eradicated. Because the other things of the game are so wrong? Can't wait to see all normal teams barely breaking even or losing money by training normal with the taxes. For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
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Trading doesn't produce more great players? Care to explain please. More players trained, more players in the market, for everybody.
I don't care about new users? Who are you to say that? Do you?? I care more about new users than I care about teams like you for sure. You have no idea what I do or how I help people that send me dm in spain. And of course I always try to speak thinking about them, not myself. But from a younger, quicker perspective, which seems to be wrong here. Because I know how hard it is to develop in this game, probably you have forgotten that. We simply don't want to require 7 years to "catch you". Don't you see it's silly that a new user in 7 years still may not be able to compete with you? After 7 years!
You and all your "traders must be erradicated" gang fine, that's what you always wanted. But the real situation is definitely not the tsunami you are trying to picture here.
And why do you bring up such ExaggerateD numbers? 20 transfers a month? In your wet dreams maybe. Nobody ever said that. A whole season of training...is that also trading? THAT'S what we are talking about. Not your ridiculous examples. Now you eat a 20% and to get to that 10% need 40 weeks. Crazy.
Frankly, it always seemed to me there was something odd in this game. And it's the speed probably. Or the age? But I'm not sure what would happen here if a bunch of 20 somethings came here....if they ever stay, not come. It's almost like this game is for you guys, not for us. Young people are not compatible here. In character and in everything.
And regarding trading to me it looks like you are blaming trading of all the errors this game HAS which haven't been addressed and turned into flaws so now trading must be eradicated. Because the other things of the game are so wrong? Can't wait to see all normal teams barely breaking even or losing money by training normal with the taxes. For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
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Trading doesn't produce more great players? Care to explain please. More players trained, more players in the market, for everybody.
The fact that you trade doesn't make you train more players weekly.
If you don't buy a player and then sell him after 4, 6 or 8 weeks - then he will STILL be trained. Just by someone else and you won't get the profit. It's the only difference.
Traders add nothing to the game. They are a typical middle-men who just make profit on the technicalities [make the fast jumps, checking and showing the talent). It brings nothing to the table.
We simply don't want to require 7 years to "catch you". Don't you see it's silly that a new user in 7 years still may not be able to compete with you? After 7 years!
Of course it is, that's why this game is doomed.
What you don't understand, is that it is also doomed because as new user YOU HAVE TO TRADE MEAT. You don't play the game, you need to spend years trading, it's bullshit that no sane people want to do for fun. That's why it has to be limited and the economical/financial side of the game must be changed. Because this game is dying because people don't want to play it. And limiting massive trading is one of the STEPS that are needed to change it.
For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
and that's your problem, this game is only about money for you. I've seen lots of people like you. Many of them left the game as soon as they got enough money to achieve something. Because they didn't know how to actually play or just saw that they have wasted years of the life staying here 24/7 and trading.
The fact that you trade doesn't make you train more players weekly.
If you don't buy a player and then sell him after 4, 6 or 8 weeks - then he will STILL be trained. Just by someone else and you won't get the profit. It's the only difference.
Traders add nothing to the game. They are a typical middle-men who just make profit on the technicalities [make the fast jumps, checking and showing the talent). It brings nothing to the table.
We simply don't want to require 7 years to "catch you". Don't you see it's silly that a new user in 7 years still may not be able to compete with you? After 7 years!
Of course it is, that's why this game is doomed.
What you don't understand, is that it is also doomed because as new user YOU HAVE TO TRADE MEAT. You don't play the game, you need to spend years trading, it's bullshit that no sane people want to do for fun. That's why it has to be limited and the economical/financial side of the game must be changed. Because this game is dying because people don't want to play it. And limiting massive trading is one of the STEPS that are needed to change it.
For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
and that's your problem, this game is only about money for you. I've seen lots of people like you. Many of them left the game as soon as they got enough money to achieve something. Because they didn't know how to actually play or just saw that they have wasted years of the life staying here 24/7 and trading.
With all of you discussing about these "problems", i feel like I need to intervene and say that I don't give a damn. Bye
It's incredible that after 5 days nobody has given a single explanation of the changes.
Suppose one day they want to give a new announcement, would they just make a post acting like nothing happened between their last communication and the new one?
What about everything they said about improving communication? Will they just act like if this never happened and insist about their good will?
What about everything they said about improving communication? Will they just act like if this never happened and insist about their good will?
Stop distorting!
Dude I used to have some respect for you. But now I completely understand all your argument victims, and they are many many! The ultimate keyboard warrior.
Stop nitpicking everything that interests you!
For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
and that's your problem, this game is only about money for you.
You took my last sentence of the last paragraph, only to make me look bad...and I was just expressing my situation from now on. but you don't consider the above? I don't play those games.
Do you even know maths or logic? Sure, someone else will train them. But after 3 seasons maybe I have delivered 20 to the market while other team has delivered 8. Because they keeeeep. At the end of the day a trader is productive to the market whether you like it, or not.
And now I will retire from international forums. I don't want to waste time here knowing it brings nothing but bad blood.
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Dude I used to have some respect for you. But now I completely understand all your argument victims, and they are many many! The ultimate keyboard warrior.
Stop nitpicking everything that interests you!
For me no problem, I'll still make my money, less, but still.
and that's your problem, this game is only about money for you.
You took my last sentence of the last paragraph, only to make me look bad...and I was just expressing my situation from now on. but you don't consider the above? I don't play those games.
Do you even know maths or logic? Sure, someone else will train them. But after 3 seasons maybe I have delivered 20 to the market while other team has delivered 8. Because they keeeeep. At the end of the day a trader is productive to the market whether you like it, or not.
And now I will retire from international forums. I don't want to waste time here knowing it brings nothing but bad blood.
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You have no arguments, you haven't responded to anything I wrote so I consider that an end of discussion.
It's incredibly bizarre that nothings been said... yeah.
I have heard a rumour that the sokker servers are also running GT7.
Could easily explain why both have been broken this week
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Could easily explain why both have been broken this week
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Trading could be stopped limiting max players sales pro season! All clubs must cope with injuries worldwide! But injury length should be shortened anyway.
High prices they can limit with max budget club offers you when you set seasonal expectations after fans and sponsors name their and is same for all leagues levels worldwide. First place and second place is rewarded with biggest transfer budget in league, and playing below expectations should be fined with lower transfer budget for next season I you don't play for result you can't overpay players anymore! If you buy player for 20M fans raise their expectations! So you should wisely decide!
Getting relegated should hurt clubs in way they get less budget to spend over a season losing percentage of fans attending. If you're relegated, you need to plan to keep few best players and fight for promotion again!
Biggest problem are clubs camping in low leagues but having great impact on players demand and offer, and prices too...
Why is possible to sell all your players at once, not affecting fans, sponsors or attendance right away?
High prices they can limit with max budget club offers you when you set seasonal expectations after fans and sponsors name their and is same for all leagues levels worldwide. First place and second place is rewarded with biggest transfer budget in league, and playing below expectations should be fined with lower transfer budget for next season I you don't play for result you can't overpay players anymore! If you buy player for 20M fans raise their expectations! So you should wisely decide!
Getting relegated should hurt clubs in way they get less budget to spend over a season losing percentage of fans attending. If you're relegated, you need to plan to keep few best players and fight for promotion again!
Biggest problem are clubs camping in low leagues but having great impact on players demand and offer, and prices too...
Why is possible to sell all your players at once, not affecting fans, sponsors or attendance right away?
What??
I don't need to explain anything else. I said it all, up to you to take it or ignore it :)
I defend the existence of traders. I think they are good for the game.
I think newcomers benefit greatly from buying and selling and hence helps them improve faster (which is needed) to be more precise, its (sadly) the only way to grow decently fast. But old users don't like this.
No positives in these changes for new users, now they need even longer times to become good teams.
Your "meats" and "massive tradings" no one said you need to go hide in the cave and train for years. It's a thing very few of us have chosen to do. In my case, I want to play only a few years. Get money to try it all and that's it.
If buying and selling in 1 season makes you a trader...maybe you have the problem. I consider this very normal and I'm not the only one.
I'd like to know, your massive trading, how many teams are doing it? Can't count them with 2 hands :(
I can reply to what you say. I just have a different point of view.
I don't need to explain anything else. I said it all, up to you to take it or ignore it :)
I defend the existence of traders. I think they are good for the game.
I think newcomers benefit greatly from buying and selling and hence helps them improve faster (which is needed) to be more precise, its (sadly) the only way to grow decently fast. But old users don't like this.
No positives in these changes for new users, now they need even longer times to become good teams.
Your "meats" and "massive tradings" no one said you need to go hide in the cave and train for years. It's a thing very few of us have chosen to do. In my case, I want to play only a few years. Get money to try it all and that's it.
If buying and selling in 1 season makes you a trader...maybe you have the problem. I consider this very normal and I'm not the only one.
I'd like to know, your massive trading, how many teams are doing it? Can't count them with 2 hands :(
I can reply to what you say. I just have a different point of view.
I am new in the game and I think the same...now it's harder than before for young teams. Why do that!!
The difference with the big teams was enormous already
I sold a keeper and lost 25% of the sale in tax
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The difference with the big teams was enormous already
I sold a keeper and lost 25% of the sale in tax
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I can reply to what you say. I just have a different point of view.
But you are not replying to what I wrote, you are just saying what you think.
I'm telling you exactly why mass trading is not good for the game, why it's not good for new users in general and you don't respond to that.
This discussion doesn't have a point in such manner.
But you are not replying to what I wrote, you are just saying what you think.
I'm telling you exactly why mass trading is not good for the game, why it's not good for new users in general and you don't respond to that.
This discussion doesn't have a point in such manner.