Asunto: Youth players

Yeah I made sure to include all options.

It’s crazy that there’s even a thought in this decision but with the market the way it is I’d be very tempted to sell him. I’d have been a little more conservative at around 10M re to er than the 15-20M but it only takes 2 fools who know nothing about money but have loads of it to enter a bidding war and that price could land anywhere.

I have no doubt he will sell for more now then if you trained him and sold him in 10 seasons. The question I have is of training him to vg tech suddenly inflated your price more even though he will be 17 by then.

15-20M I’d be selling.
5-10M I’d be on the fence
Less than 5M and I’d be keeping to train.

The problem is you’re also unlikely to ever get this again so you will lose the fun of seeing where he will get to.
(editado)

I won't stand in your way if major decides to sell and the price doesn't hit the ceiling for you. In any other option, I'm ready to step into one fool's shoes you mentioned above, we just have to wait for another one to join :D

A fool and his money are soon parted :p

I mean I’d love to have someone like that but I’m also playing a different game than instant satisfaction. I don’t have endless amounts of cash and so a really silly price whilst I could afford it, ultimately sets me back if I can’t resell for around about the same price.

This sentence starts to lose its meaning, looking how the world is constructed and by whom it is led these days :D

Your point of view is totally understandable.
That's totally in contradiction to my style of playing, as my commitment in sk ended a while ago and I've been just having fun for around two years now, since the big changes have started.

E: Sure, with the money I have and the players who, if sold, would bring me another a few hundreds M $, I could easily get myself into the 1st div and stay there for a long time but I feel like it's not something that would bring me pleasure and self-satisfaction in a higher level than the style I'm using right now.
It may seem not right since I got promoted this season, having a very average team but this just shows how much these young Aussies developed in the past 2-3 seasons and that brings lots of joy. Maybe after almost 20 years on sk I found my place :D
(editado)

And you have trained some monsters too!
Definitely very appreciative of it...Kirkpatrick looks amazing at present and still has a few more seasons of training to go

Thanks for your thoughts.

I figure I've been playing this time around for 8 seasons and haven't sold any prospects - always trained them. Therefore I've only made $7m across those seasons.

I have some decent enough trainees (in my eyes at least) amongst the 11 that I class as trainees (nearly always have 1 injured). Not many of them were 16 year olds, but I reckon Mclaren is only maybe 1 -1.5 seasons ahead of them. For some that's a difference that makes a big difference, but I think it's a luxury for a team in my position.

That said I find it hard to imagine any of my trainees being good enough for A-league, but that might be as much about the shortened season than the quality of my trainees.

I reckon the days of being able to train your way into the A-league are over and its always going to need buying older players at some point to get a toe hold.

So I think I'll sell - it would be nice for them to go to someone who is keen to train Australians so happy to take advice on when would be best to list him to get that outcome?

As much as I love training prospects, I think early in the building phase, if you get the chance to sell a big money player, it can move you up to the next level so I generally recommend the sale too

Sell for your own benefit here. We have someone like vampyr who will be happy enough to buy at whatever price needed if none of us aussies can get them. If you list them tomorrow sometime you’ll probably get a good return.

I think you can still train for the A League. I’ve done it and still largely doing it. I’ve had a few seasons start which helps and I’m sliding into the pack a bit as others catch up but it’s still very much possible, it’s not the shortest route though.

A sale of this player will likely net you 10-15M I suspect and that’s even with listing at $2 to save the tax expense.

Anything less than $5M I’d be surprised at and would definitely end up in my team :p.

I think I’d be willing to go to 10M myself we shall see.

My option in your scenario would also have been sell but I deliberately tried to let you make your own decision because I know everyone plays for different reasons. I personally like training my own but sometimes $ is what you need more. 10-15M should go a long way if you use it wisely.

Dion Clarke, age: 17
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 72 000 AU$
wage: 1 200 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 184 cm, weight: 81.2 kg, BMI: 23.98

poor [3] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
average [5] pace solid [8] defender
hopeless [1] technique poor [3] playmaker
unsatisfactory [2] passing weak [4] striker

Have a few this week

Good Talent 2.5

Austin Ward, age: 17
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 39 200 AU$
wage: 880 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 185 cm, weight: 69.1 kg, BMI: 20.19

unsatisfactory [2] stamina tragic [0] keeper
adequate [6] pace adequate [6] defender
poor [3] technique tragic [0] playmaker
poor [3] passing hopeless [1] striker



My GK pull

Alex Markovski, age: 18
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 51 600 AU$
wage: 960 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 174 cm, weight: 64.5 kg, BMI: 21.3

weak [4] stamina poor [3] keeper
good [7] pace tragic [0] defender
tragic [0] technique tragic [0] playmaker
unsatisfactory [2] passing hopeless [1] striker


This guy will get the sack

Talon Poutakidis, age: 17
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 17 200 AU$
wage: 720 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 182 cm, weight: 84.9 kg, BMI: 25.63

tragic [0] stamina tragic [0] keeper
poor [3] pace hopeless [1] defender
unsatisfactory [2] technique weak [4] playmaker
unsatisfactory [2] passing unsatisfactory [2] striker


Also getting the sack

Nick Magon, age: 16
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 1 600 AU$
wage: 600 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 169 cm, weight: 71.5 kg, BMI: 25.03

tragic [0] stamina tragic [0] keeper
tragic [0] pace hopeless [1] defender
tragic [0] technique tragic [0] playmaker
tragic [0] passing tragic [0] striker

Well he's listed - we'll see how he goes....

9M already. This game is just broken. When juniors sell for more then their finished product that’s a huge issue. Great for Hackney here though but whoever buys him will struggle to make any profit off him if he now ends up at 20M or so. There has to be a tax in the form of additional player wage based on last transfer price. That destroys this broken system to something much more manageable. If by paying 10M+ on a junior the wage shoots up to over 100K per week then that at least hurts clubs somewhat for overpaying. Won’t stop them all but we at least get back some sense of a market where training and selling completed players is the profitable option. Basically locks anyone out of developing stronger teams unless it’s their own junior and then punishes them because they decided not to sell said junior.

My guess is that current 'completed' players are still competing with completed players under the old season length. Older players aren't being replaced by freshly completed players as they're still better than them despite skills declining. Squads are really old as a result.

Current 16 year olds when completed won't be - so a top 16 year old has the chance to be top of the tree for a lot longer than a current top 25 year old for example.

It's not even that.

People just want trainees because many just like the green pops each week and couldn't care less about the rest of the game. Also when looking for trainees people just compete for the best available and because of the reduction of the season from 16 to 13 weeks, fewer of the "good" trainees exist. Thus low supply and high demand. Prices go through the roof. Older players have less demand because any investment in them here degrades very quickly and becomes a sunk cost.

Thus a 32yo has less value even though they may be better skilled because their skills have peaked and are only going to go backwards.

The issue is there's so much demand and teams have so much money that we hit this bubble where 16yo's sell for more then they ever will again. You end up with people just wanting the best trainees, or those that just care about training and nothing more or those that believe they can onsell for more then they bought to make a quick profit all competing and driving the price beyond what it really should be because there's no consequences. Want a good player at a young enough age then you pay top $ for it. There's no rational thought process of is this player really worth this much, because if you don't someone else who doesn't care will and you end up not having a trainee at all.

The flip side of this is it's reasonably cheap to continue to buy the 30+ to improve your side but that only gets you to a certain point because you're piling in cash into a liability rather than an asset. Would be very different if players were trainable to their late 20's and then were able to go through their 30's before they started declining in their mid to late 30s.

This should be a great step up for your team. I'm excited to see what he goes for

Already proven to be the right call to sell. Already at more than what you’d get selling him if he was triple divine and 28. How much more this goes for is anyone’s guess.