Asunto: »7170 managers in Sokker!

I just asked loop. Nothing more. El-Dorado, I think I even have the same opinion with you about the layout by default.

El-Dorado, you made the assumption that I don´t get it.
So, read with a little bit more caution the following:
- I believe the old layout should be BY DEFAULT.
- I believe that the real users of the game are constantly about 12.000 in the last 2 years.
- I believe that if we want more users in sokker, we are the ones who have to talk about it with friends.
- I believe that my beliefs are reflecting only my reality - they are not the truth - you don´t have to believe nothing.

Furthermore:
- I have made an internet site for sokker and the first thing of it is I advise new users to change the layout to the old one.
- I believe that some people become violent on the way they are communicating and this is also a reason for some other people to feel disappointed and loose their interest on the game. They simple don´t like to read accusations (like: "you don´t get it"), negative comments, predictions about the end of sokker, comments about the f§§$%ckin engine etc - they just want to have fun with it, because it´s just a game. It´s our hobby and I believe we want to have fun with it, not?

- I believe that some people become violent on the way they are communicating and this is also a reason for some other people to feel disappointed and loose their interest on the game. They simple don´t like to read accusations (like: "you don´t get it"),

Thats not being "violent" lol.
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Yes indeed - that´s what I mean and that´s the point.
I also like and appreciate the way you reacted to my violent words. For real! :D

Maybe Greg can sell this game to a very rich sk user to keep it alive even if it doesnt bring any more income?.

Don't think that will ever happen. I really think he rather shut it down then selling it.

but why? the only reason I could understand is that he's too rich but I doubt that. Who doesn't want to make extra 10k euro.

Yeah,especially on the thing you don't want to use/maintain/invest in anymore

Don't think Sokker is worth 10K. And also, a lot depends on how Sokker is programmed. New owners should be able to easily understand and work with the structure. I'm pretty sure this is not the case. Sokker is updated and polished many times, never rewritten. And Flash is about to die, so will Sokker when that happen.

Those programmers who like to own Sokker, should (re)make a game in the same style as Sokker but with new techniques and a new clean structure so the game can easily be updated the right way.

It wouldn't surprise me if greg uses SK as his CV. After all, to have had a game running like this, despite the decline for so long is pretty successful and would probably aid in getting better jobs as a result.

1) New intuitive design that makes sense
2) Beginner tutorial with maybe 10 steps
3) Full control of all parts of the game for new users after these steps are completed
4) Remove the 5 minute wait before game start
5) Introduce the old junior system

These things need to be implemented, otherwise Sokker will die - it is just a matter of time.

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Can't we (the shareholders :p) make greg either step down or force him to sell it or force him to step it up?

Good point.

Back to old won't happen, and new managers don't know the old ways, like junior school, so that's not a real problem.

Design, tutorial, delay are some changes that should be right away. And division structure so new managers join active leagues in stead of bot leagues.

Tutorial can already be used, translate text and post this on your national newbie forum :)

How to get started with Sokker tutorial, in only 6 steps:
http://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/1259/ID_topic/2744752/pg/1


For translation, use these files:


Tutorial 1: How to get started with Sokker

Tutorial 2: Getting more advanced with Sokker

Yeah but what I am talking about is a real walk through of the game, where the user has to follow steps to complete his entry (Like the do in that game we don't mention here).

Of course we can post those how to get started, but I don't think that a new user will take time to read all that stuff. It needs to be integrated as a start-up thing.

I agree with Niklasvs.

Yes indeed - that´s what I mean and that´s the point.
I also like and appreciate the way you reacted to my violent words. For real! :D

xD

6-month plus for new users would work and promote the plus tool. Sometimes I believe greg not only don't care about the game but also he wants the game to become a cult game for so few and strange people.
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