Asunto: NEWS Sokker- big changes are coming!

Can someone explain to me why until today they haven't put the coaches' retirement?
A trainer over 100 years old is up for auction.
If they want to reduce inflation this would work great as we usually spend 2M euros or more to find a decent trainer and that money adds up because it doesn't go to anyone. Can you imagine how much they wouldn't pay for a trainer under 40 at the "
Magical or Uneartly level at auction?!?
That would work... Coaches retiring between 60 and 80y

Another option would be some world-class players created in bot teams and released for auction, at some predefined times of the season. That way, the money that will be used there will go out of circulation because it won't go to anyone. This would also help create some good players for the smaller countries!

Sure, good idea for old coachs.
About bot teams, well the money (player value) is translate to someone, typically a rich club : so It s not really a money trap but money creation: just what’s the inflation need.
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"This is an obvious TPA, maybe he made a mistake with bidding or is leaving the game..." no it´s not, that is the funny part

Ohh so it's another comment, can you tell me what it is?

- an adjustment in the number of fans willing to come to the stadium,
- increasing the weekly salaries of top players (we note that teams in the higher leagues have benefited the most, so the adjustment should remove this advantage),
- an increase in certain fees and/or taxes.


The only thing you’ll get is to destroy economy of 70% percent of clubs. This financial reformes are a joke!!
Most of us survive with the income playing home at our stadium. Having an elite staff of coaches for getting the best results in training every week, plus having youth school and also, the high amount of salaries makes a lot of teams have a negative balance in their accounts.

You should considerate reform the expectations in every match, which imo it’s irrelevant. Also, reform the Fans mood. It’s illogical my fans get depressed because I won a game, even if the opponent is newbie or not (like Toretto said once: winning is winning).

Medical center will benefit only oldest teams with a huge economy solvency. Not a priority.
Visual improves are also irrelevant.
I get punished every week by my fans because I’m dedicating my efforts in training my youngest players. Fans expect me to win every match by 10 goals and that’s impossible. What happen? Even if I win or not, every week my fans leave the team, and winning a match doesn’t rise their mood.
I think that’s and issue that devs should reform somehow.

I already explained it, you haven't responded to it

inflation in sokker is GOOD for small teams

Your point is true in the short term. I would say that you can split this into new teams (which are kind of poor teams by definition bad players, no training infrastructure, C division or lower) and poor n' old teams which are poor because they have a small budget. Those may have good players and training infrastructure, but are stuck in a high competitive league.

For new teams:
As you said, catch up in training is easier since trainer's wage, junior places, etc are fixed (I mean it is the same now and then). So, you can look for a unearthly trainer, you can have 30 places in your youth squad and improve your seating distribution and someone may think "that's it. I'm training as the top teams", but the trouble here is that even having the "training infrastructure", you won't be able to compete as fast as before because you may have to spend lots of money on "side" players (the non-training ones), money that you don't have.

For old n poor teams:
I see this as the rat race, you won't be able to find the exit since you can't buy the players to compete and you have to relay on training which as you said is easier for new teams to catch up, so your game is getting harder and harder.

The thing is (and I wonder what you think about it) inflation is not really the big problem here or nor what people is concern about. I think people is concern about the fact that we start these "new rules" with different budgets.

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I don't really know if I'm in favor of changing anything just now, but if so, I would like to explore something like a variable part of the wage depending on the league the player is playing, the budget you have and the transfer value. Say if you bought a player for 20 M euros you would have to pay significantly more than a 1 M or 2 M.

Exactly...

For new teams:
As you said, catch up in training is easier since trainer's wage, junior places, etc are fixed (I mean it is the same now and then). So, you can look for an unearthly trainer, you can have 30 places in your youth squad and improve your seating distribution and someone may think "that's it. I'm training as the top teams", but the trouble here is that even having the "training infrastructure", you won't be able to compete as fast as before because you may have to spend lots of money on "side" players (the non-training ones), money that you don't have.

that's true, but this gives you the tools to make the money much faster than you'd be able without inflation

the whole game is based on making money, it's at least as much an economy game as sports game... if people don't make money on training/transfers, they don't get good

For old n poor teams:
I see this as the rat race, you won't be able to find the exit since you can't buy the players to compete and you have to relay on training which as you said is easier for new teams to catch up, so your game is getting harder and harder.

well, old and poor teams that are in a state where they begin to have problems competing with much newer teams... are simply badly managed / their owners are not very active / their owners are bad at this game

in such case it doesn't really matter if there's an inflation or deflation, they simply won't get good and won't achieve anything anyway

there are examples of teams reaching top level in many, many countries, there are examples of teams staying at top for very long, there are examples of teams improving in a very fast manner [reaching ~78 in 2-3 years etc.]

but you have to understand the game and pour your time into it... as with every game where you want to be good

The thing is (and I wonder what you think about it) inflation is not really the big problem here or nor what people is concern about.

I think that people are generally concerned with inflation because they think that inflation is bad here as it's bad in real life, but these are different circumstances. Imagine sokker rules in real life - your income improves all the time, every month, yet the prices of cars, houses etc. stay the same forever... paradise ;-)

come to think of it, the sokker inflation has a 100% different effect than in real life ;-)
people also get angry because they see a spike in player prices (although Mikoos checked the data and apparently there isn't a huge difference), but if you're active and you train it doesn't really matter much that players prices go up or down...

I think people is concern about the fact that we start these "new rules" with different budgets.

definitely

that's the main problem I have with those changes, all of them are changes after "the cards were dealt"
they always favour some people and always hurt the others

Inflation in sokker is good.
I would like to see selling prices for a world class player around 50 - 90 M
same in RL :-)

The only thing you’ll get is to destroy economy of 70% percent of clubs. This financial reformes are a joke!!

Teams were fine before the league reform when they had 0.5 home match / week, so they will be fine now when they have lower income from their 1 home match / week. They are not cutting that in half, this part will still be better compared to times before the league reform.
Also remember they listed things they considered to implement, no one said they are gonna implement everything on that list.

Most of us survive with the income playing home at our stadium.

Survive? More like print a lot of money every week. They will survive fine with that stadium income being lower.

Having an elite staff of coaches for getting the best results in training every week

That's your choice if you want to pay for "elite staff" for the best training. I'm sure this way your players gain a lot more market value than you pay for coaches... So is it really a problem?

plus having youth school

You don't have youth school to lose money, you get juniors that are worth the money spend on that... Including youth school in a "weekly balance", but excluding the value you get from that youth school is not a good way to prove "destroying club economy". If a youth school is a burden to you, close it.

makes a lot of teams have a negative balance in their accounts

And it's absolutely fine for some teams to have negative weekly balance, that's how you achieve balanced economy, the way it was before the league reform. Some will be in plus, some will be in minus. If someone understands how the game works he will be fine with negative weekly balance, because he can easily overcome that with profit from training.

Weekly balance is a problem for new clubs, in their first months. It could easily be improved by increasing their default fanclub size + making starting stadium better = better money from sponsors from the beginning + more money from stadium from the beginning, but I can't convince Raul to this idea :P

You should considerate reform the expectations in every match, which imo it’s irrelevant. Also, reform the Fans mood. It’s illogical my fans get depressed because I won a game, even if the opponent is newbie or not (like Toretto said once: winning is winning).

Here I agree, fans mood is implemented badly :)

Once (new) managers have their tools, like bigger stadium, right coaching staff and decent trainees and maybe a working youth academy, THEN they can grow faster than before the changes.
But it is much harder for new teams to get to that point, since all players have increased a huge lot in price for buying.
Before you could buy yourself 22 1€ players and train them all in pace and earn yourself some millions each season.
Try to do that now... with only 10% of available players like before and 95% of managers with more money than you, looking for a player to buy...
You simply cannot gather enough players to train properly, let alone them being good enough to make money on them.
And as long as you don't have money to invest, you cannot invest in the tools you say we all can use to grow faster economically.
New teams have nothing!
They start with 500k, with 22 trashcan players, a coaching staff good enough to clean the toilet and a stadium, big enough to let 3100 supporters come paying for your team each week, with a maximum possible revenue of about 70k (which only applies to teams who win all their matches!)
Try to pay 5 brilliant / magical coaches from that revenue + another 70k from the sponsors...
Then you still have to pay player wages, youth spots and stadium maintenance.
And the best part... you need to actually pay thousands of Euro's (or whatever the currency) to buy players to train!
Have you searched the TL lately? There's nothing there! Or you have to pay millions.
Imagine, like adaca says, that coach wages would be increased... It would make sokker life for newbies completely impossible, even more than it allready is turning to.

It is as has been said before. For teams who were here before the changes, the inflation is good. BUT...it's all other teams + all possible new teams, which is THE main target for which the devs are changing the game. So in the end, the economical changes are a bad solution if you want to attrack new users.

people also get angry because they see a spike in player prices (although Mikoos checked the data and apparently there isn't a huge difference)

To make it more clear: I compared the prices on transfer market without looking at player skills. Obviously players now are worse (especially younger ones) than in earlier seasons, so it automatically makes worse players being sold for more money... but it doesn't mean that overall average price is increased that much.

For example when you look at 19yo att with 30 points in att skills it's let's say about 10M euro now... but 3 seasons ago you could buy it for a million or two. The main reason is not the inflation of money, just the quality of players being much lower. Standards for top youths changed.

Here is average price of sold players in the last 4 seasons:


Here is % of players sold for at least X amount of money, lines from top being X = 25k euro, 100k, 250k, 1M, 5M

All that you're writing is based on theories and opinions not on facts, I've seen lately lots of players that now went for over 2.5m euro [some over 5m] and were bought for around 25-100 thousand

so yes, it still is very easy and very possible to make good money even when you don't have top level resources - and inflation allows you to have tools for training and fast improvement

any half-decent 16-17yo with ok talent will make you a lot of money after training, it's not hard
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But it is much harder for new teams to get to that point, since all players have increased a huge lot in price for buying.
Before you could buy yourself 22 1€ players and train them all in pace and earn yourself some millions each season.
Try to do that now... with only 10% of available players like before and 95% of managers with more money than you, looking for a player to buy...
You simply cannot gather enough players to train properly, let alone them being good enough to make money on them.

You can do it, it's easy when you now what to do... There is a club in Poland that started in September and made A LOT of profit on multiple players.