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Asunto: NEWS Sokker- big changes are coming!

2023-03-17 17:05:51
2023-03-17 17:06:56
Gazul para Mikoos
Right now I have my youth academy closed by option. With its changes it will be an obligation and I imagine that more than one will close the same.
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2023-03-17 17:10:12
cheche para Mikoos
If this season is the same as last one in tickets/sponsors etc you would be 2.66M euro in plus (2.129M k.$) in operating balance

You know very well that it won't be like this because the number of attendees at the stadiums will be reduced
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2023-03-17 17:29:22
Mikoos para cheche
About your points:

I have 3 millions positive in this season, but:

1.- I dont hace youth academy. I could spend there 1 million more.

2.- I invested a lot of money in my stadium to make a profit. Why do they punish those who invest?

3.- I have all my money invested in players and they raise the sales tax. In other words, the money that I have collected these seasons is being taken from me. because? to "match" the weaker teams. And the time that we have invested the teams a little stronger?

4.- In addition, they raise the salary of the players in an excessive way. What is the idea? That my balance comes out 0 even when I invested a lot of money in my stadium and I don't have a youth school?

5 - As if that were not enough, they want to reduce revenue from tickets to the stadium. On this path we will all be equal, equally poor and bankrupt.


ad 1. Users have youth schools because they are, on average, financially profitable. In short term you might lose money (so far I lose :P) as it's a casino, but I'm sure for a big majority of users it's a source of income in the long run.
ad 2. Everyone invests in stadium, and they do it because that investment returns quickly and then just generate money for your club. There is no reason for tickets income to stay as high as it is now.
ad 3. Increase in sales tax is there to battle inflation that comes from influx of money in economy.
ad 4. Same as sales tax - stadium income is so high after the league reform that it generates a lot of extra money, so they increased player's wages as a (small) counterweight.
ad 5. The game needs to be balanced. Money in the economy needs to be balanced. If everyone generates money every week then you have more and more money in economy, prices for all players will go up without limits. It was somehow balanced before the league reform with much smaller income from tickets, now it's not.

Top teams having a great "operating balance" might seem like a good thing, having the incentive to be there on top. But it's only an illusion, because with increased money in economy comes bigger prices for top players, and also bigger drops in value when you have a top player and he gets older. So instead of losing 1M euro in market value each season, such player might lose for example 2M in value. And if the inflation continues it will be worse and worse. And then it will be like "who cares if I can get 10M / season being in top league when just a one top attacker costs 50M". It won't be healthy for the game.
2023-03-17 17:39:22
Omg, your Trainers salary... :o
2023-03-17 18:51:57
cheche para Mikoos
Very nice words but it is a fantasy....this change does not add anything

ad 1. Users have youth schools because they are, on average, financially profitable. In short term you might lose money (so far I lose :P) as it's a casino, but I'm sure for a big majority of users it's a source of income in the long run.

I opened it because it is an option in the game that allows me to train players from my country instead of buying in a market saturated with Polish players and little availability of locals to reinforce our NT.

ad 2. Everyone invests in stadium, and they do it because that investment returns quickly and then just generate money for your club. There is no reason for tickets income to stay as high as it is now.

This is a vile lie, my stadium has 100,000 seats and we have never reached 80,000 occupants.It was also my way of investing but clearly the game algorithm does not favor me.

ad 3. Increase in sales tax is there to battle inflation that comes from influx of money in economy.

This is even worse, now that a team like mine is reorganizing its finances and training, taxes and salaries are going up, which will directly impact the income from player sales.

ad 4. Same as sales tax - stadium income is so high after the league reform that it generates a lot of extra money, so they increased player's wages as a (small) counterweight.

As I mentioned before, some invest in players and others in tickets...


ad 5. The game needs to be balanced. Money in the economy needs to be balanced. If everyone generates money every week then you have more and more money in economy, prices for all players will go up without limits. It was somehow balanced before the league reform with much smaller income from tickets, now it's not.

impose luxury taxes, according to the value of the equipment and ranking

PD: Joined: 2021-10-04 ...Unless you are an old user with new equipment you CANNOT understand anything a person with more than 10 years in the game says.
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2023-03-17 20:12:24
Mikoos para cheche
Whoops, my comment was supposed to be reply to Gazul, sorry for that.

Very nice words but it is a fantasy....this change does not add anything

Yeah, it doesn't add money like a league reform, instead it takes a bit of that extra money :D

I opened it because it is an option in the game that allows me to train players from my country instead of buying in a market saturated with Polish players and little availability of locals to reinforce our NT.

And what's your point? Is your youth school not profitable for you?

This is a vile lie, my stadium has 100,000 seats and we have never reached 80,000 occupants.It was also my way of investing but clearly the game algorithm does not favor me.

Yeah, there is no point in making your stadium that big. I meant investment to, for example, 60k or 80k if you play in biggest leagues is good. Making bigger stadiums does not make much sense. Investments I did in my stadium already paid off and I plan to stop increasing it in 2 seasons when it will hit 60k.

This is even worse, now that a team like mine is reorganizing its finances and training, taxes and salaries are going up, which will directly impact the income from player sales.

A bit less income from player sales won't kill anybody. And no, prices won't go down just because salaries or taxes went up. And even if they went down then there is not much difference, you sell players cheaper and you buy players cheaper. I'm sure you can manage it, just like you managed to play for many years with a much lower income from stadium.

As I mentioned before, some invest in players and others in tickets...

Stadium investment can only give you a bit and only up to some point, the best investment by far will always be in proper training.

impose luxury taxes, according to the value of the equipment and ranking

I don't understand this? Is this a suggestion or what?

PD: Joined: 2021-10-04 ...Unless you are an old user with new equipment you CANNOT understand anything a person with more than 10 years in the game says.

I've played sokker before. Not on a high level, I wasn't very good 10-15 years ago :)
And I don't need 10 years of playing to be able to see how the sokker economy works, how users on different levels in different countries manage their teams, what mistakes some are making, what mistakes I make.


You know very well that it won't be like this because the number of attendees at the stadiums will be reduced

Yeah, but not this season, it's planned after that. Can't wait for users reaction to that :)
2023-03-17 20:43:55
cheche para Mikoos
jajjaja
2023-03-17 23:44:11
Tass para cheche
Ok…. Friendly matches are not loading hahaha.
C‘mon guys!!!!
2023-03-18 04:28:00
Alnus para Tass
Is it possible to play friendly matches of national teams now? I cannot find it anywhere??
And I have the same problem with the page where is the national coach voted.
Thank you for help and advice!
2023-03-18 09:47:22
Monte para Alnus
https://sokker.org/election/pollID/32661
2023-03-18 11:20:13
EJ para elmomo
@elmomo

''Omg, your Trainers salary... :o''

I think its cause he recruited trainers multiple times :D I've seen it before to answer on your comment
2023-03-18 12:04:31
elmomo para EJ
Ah, that would make more sense. Seemed quite desproportionate to the rest of the budget :p
2023-03-18 12:36:58
EJ para elmomo
Tho the trainers recruitment in that particulair SS is empty and mine shows that I've spend a big mil last season for it. Strange.

Current season seems fine for me tho.
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2023-03-18 15:04:28
bankruptcy... Thanks
2023-03-18 15:39:13
ouch, and here I thought I was bad off. Coach of a national team, too.