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I’d be interested in knowing how much they get off advertising because the amount of ads I see as a non plus user in some extent pays off the plus price, given plus is fairly cheap. I don’t have plus out of principle. For decades the biggest issues I’ve been fighting to have resolved have been either outright denied as being issues, ignored or dug deeper by other changes that makes things even worse. I’m sorry but I can’t be bothered supporting that. Bit of a double edge sword they need the money to fix things but they won’t get my money until they fix things I believe in and show me things are different from what they were given past experiences.
Others can disagree with my thought process and that’s fine, to each their own but I’m sure everyone has reasons for what they will and won’t spend money on and all sides are valid.
That’s just not me in this scenario.
Others can disagree with my thought process and that’s fine, to each their own but I’m sure everyone has reasons for what they will and won’t spend money on and all sides are valid.
That’s just not me in this scenario.
haha i guess so. In my case I finished with the NT, so I didnt renew the plus.
Sk can do many things to make plus something good, so it means increase the % of plus. On the other hand they chose to increase user ammount, There are many ways to do things, but I see the way they chose is good if the product is viable (edt: for new users), so far it is not (in my opinion)
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Sk can do many things to make plus something good, so it means increase the % of plus. On the other hand they chose to increase user ammount, There are many ways to do things, but I see the way they chose is good if the product is viable (edt: for new users), so far it is not (in my opinion)
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I don't think that their ads revenue is meaningful to be honest, especially since these revenues track unique users and you get less and less for each ad shown to the same person.
I've seen some numbers on a blog in Poland: 10k-30k views equaled 3-6 euro for the owner.
Such numbers obviously differ based on the type of content, but I'd be surprised if SK content was rated highly as an ad space. Especially since I'd bet that 90% of all views is made up by a small amount of active users.
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I've seen some numbers on a blog in Poland: 10k-30k views equaled 3-6 euro for the owner.
Such numbers obviously differ based on the type of content, but I'd be surprised if SK content was rated highly as an ad space. Especially since I'd bet that 90% of all views is made up by a small amount of active users.
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Small amounts of active users without adblockers, which will not be a lot.
"It's entirely possible to make a realistic profit of 20-30 millions in a season"
not for a newer user, no. They don't have the staff and they don't have the resources to knowingly buy a great trainee. YOU certainly could, for sure.
this is just another way the rich stay richer. Only answer to this would be implementing a hard cap on wealth.
I played in a hockey game like this for a very long time...and they implemented something like this.
Still, conceptually you are accurate. When you train your own team, you lose profit. Sucks for me, because I prefer playing this game to win. The tactics and player building aspect of this game is what I enjoy. There's not another game like this that offers what Sokker does in this way.
not for a newer user, no. They don't have the staff and they don't have the resources to knowingly buy a great trainee. YOU certainly could, for sure.
this is just another way the rich stay richer. Only answer to this would be implementing a hard cap on wealth.
I played in a hockey game like this for a very long time...and they implemented something like this.
Still, conceptually you are accurate. When you train your own team, you lose profit. Sucks for me, because I prefer playing this game to win. The tactics and player building aspect of this game is what I enjoy. There's not another game like this that offers what Sokker does in this way.
not for a newer user, no.
it's also not possible for a new user to have a 75+ rating team. that's normal. you have to build your team, otherwise what's the point?
I believe that new users should receive a better start, higher fan club, a bit better stadium, maybe better/younger players, perhaps some extra funds for every season (so they don't use everything at once on stupid transfers etc.) but in general you have to build and improve.
They don't have the staff and they don't have the resources to knowingly buy a great trainee.
you don't need "rich level" money to buy a great trainee, you just need time and knowledge (which is much easier now with Geston&Mikoos database). So you basically need just time spent on transfer market to buy under the average price a trainee that will bring good profit.
as for staff - there are smaller teams in England that have better staff than I do. I don't think you need to be rich to train properly.
you can get a 6x unearthly coach for less than 40k weekly. Same weekly wage that you pay only to your two goalkeepers.
I've seen you spend lately 1.25m euro for a 36 year old with a 20k wage. If you can afford that, you can also afford a good coach.
this is just another way the rich stay richer.
nope. you don't have to be rich to make money on transfers. it's the other way around, you get rich by making good training and good transfers.
Still, conceptually you are accurate. When you train your own team, you lose profit.
I never said that and it's not true. I train my own 18yo youth who was nothing special when he came out - 18yo, 9 pace 8 tech 5 striker. Last season you could get such player for less than 100k euro. 25k euro if you're lucky.
Now he is 25yo with 17-16-14 ATT skills, close to 18 in pace. He improved his value vastly during 7 training seasons and I will get very good money off him when I decide to sell him, while he also gives me goals plus tickets & sponsors money.
You lose profit when you don't train proper players, or you train worthless players or you train old [26+] players.
The tactics and player building aspect of this game is what I enjoy.
You can build your whole team from scratch buying 16yo players and improving with them. IMO for a relatively new team that doesn't want to trade a lot it's the best possible route to improvement.
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it's also not possible for a new user to have a 75+ rating team. that's normal. you have to build your team, otherwise what's the point?
I believe that new users should receive a better start, higher fan club, a bit better stadium, maybe better/younger players, perhaps some extra funds for every season (so they don't use everything at once on stupid transfers etc.) but in general you have to build and improve.
They don't have the staff and they don't have the resources to knowingly buy a great trainee.
you don't need "rich level" money to buy a great trainee, you just need time and knowledge (which is much easier now with Geston&Mikoos database). So you basically need just time spent on transfer market to buy under the average price a trainee that will bring good profit.
as for staff - there are smaller teams in England that have better staff than I do. I don't think you need to be rich to train properly.
you can get a 6x unearthly coach for less than 40k weekly. Same weekly wage that you pay only to your two goalkeepers.
I've seen you spend lately 1.25m euro for a 36 year old with a 20k wage. If you can afford that, you can also afford a good coach.
this is just another way the rich stay richer.
nope. you don't have to be rich to make money on transfers. it's the other way around, you get rich by making good training and good transfers.
Still, conceptually you are accurate. When you train your own team, you lose profit.
I never said that and it's not true. I train my own 18yo youth who was nothing special when he came out - 18yo, 9 pace 8 tech 5 striker. Last season you could get such player for less than 100k euro. 25k euro if you're lucky.
Now he is 25yo with 17-16-14 ATT skills, close to 18 in pace. He improved his value vastly during 7 training seasons and I will get very good money off him when I decide to sell him, while he also gives me goals plus tickets & sponsors money.
You lose profit when you don't train proper players, or you train worthless players or you train old [26+] players.
The tactics and player building aspect of this game is what I enjoy.
You can build your whole team from scratch buying 16yo players and improving with them. IMO for a relatively new team that doesn't want to trade a lot it's the best possible route to improvement.
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You can use me as an example of how to achieve decent results without big money.
Just one more example showing that you don't have to be rich to invest an train good players...
You've spent 1.25m euro on one 36yo player (I would die if I had to pay so much for an old players because that's just lost money, you're not getting that back). Old players - yes, but for amounts close to nothing.
I've spent 1.25m euro for these 2 players. Exactly 900k + 350k.
Oreste Chiriţă, age: 17
club: The Evil`s, country: România
value : 274 000 zł
wage: 3 000 zł
divine [17] form
excellent [10] tactical discipline
height: 165 cm, weight: 58.3 kg, BMI: 21.41
average [5] stamina tragic [0] keeper
good [7] pace adequate [6] defender
average [5] technique adequate [6] playmaker
average [5] passing unsatisfactory [2] striker
Matěj Kyjovský, age: 17
club: The Evil`s, country: Česká republika
value : 202 000 zł
wage: 2 900 zł
solid [8] form
solid [8] tactical discipline
height: 172 cm, weight: 74.3 kg, BMI: 25.11
hopeless [1] stamina tragic [0] keeper
good [7] pace adequate [6] defender
weak [4] technique weak [4] playmaker
good [7] passing weak [4] striker
Both are close to improving in some skills.
Now, as I've said - that's 1.25m euro spent last season, when they were 16yo.
Similar players to them went this season for 14-21m euro.
You don't have to be "rich" to get such players when they are young. Problem is when you want to buy 20+ players because you are paying profit to those who trained them from 16-17. And at this point you should be the one doing the early work, not getting a player trained for x seasons.
You've spent 1.25m euro on one 36yo player (I would die if I had to pay so much for an old players because that's just lost money, you're not getting that back). Old players - yes, but for amounts close to nothing.
I've spent 1.25m euro for these 2 players. Exactly 900k + 350k.
Oreste Chiriţă, age: 17
club: The Evil`s, country: România
value : 274 000 zł
wage: 3 000 zł
divine [17] form
excellent [10] tactical discipline
height: 165 cm, weight: 58.3 kg, BMI: 21.41
average [5] stamina tragic [0] keeper
good [7] pace adequate [6] defender
average [5] technique adequate [6] playmaker
average [5] passing unsatisfactory [2] striker
Matěj Kyjovský, age: 17
club: The Evil`s, country: Česká republika
value : 202 000 zł
wage: 2 900 zł
solid [8] form
solid [8] tactical discipline
height: 172 cm, weight: 74.3 kg, BMI: 25.11
hopeless [1] stamina tragic [0] keeper
good [7] pace adequate [6] defender
weak [4] technique weak [4] playmaker
good [7] passing weak [4] striker
Both are close to improving in some skills.
Now, as I've said - that's 1.25m euro spent last season, when they were 16yo.
Similar players to them went this season for 14-21m euro.
You don't have to be "rich" to get such players when they are young. Problem is when you want to buy 20+ players because you are paying profit to those who trained them from 16-17. And at this point you should be the one doing the early work, not getting a player trained for x seasons.
I have absolute understanding for everyone,
that cannot afford SOKKER, but no understanding for players like you are!!!
You're complaining about a game, for which you don't pay a penny,although you are able to do so. I would describe that as audacity!
I voluntarily paid for 10 years in advance, because I am absolutely convinced of it, that this game has a bright future and because I have fun with it!
All the more managers pay for this game, the quicker improvements can be implemented!!!
Managers who can't afford to pay for the game, can of course continue to criticise the game publicly!
My criticism is only directed at managers. who can afford the game without any problem and still don't pay for it!
That's just my honest opinion on the subject, which not everyone has to share with me!
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that cannot afford SOKKER, but no understanding for players like you are!!!
You're complaining about a game, for which you don't pay a penny,although you are able to do so. I would describe that as audacity!
I voluntarily paid for 10 years in advance, because I am absolutely convinced of it, that this game has a bright future and because I have fun with it!
All the more managers pay for this game, the quicker improvements can be implemented!!!
Managers who can't afford to pay for the game, can of course continue to criticise the game publicly!
My criticism is only directed at managers. who can afford the game without any problem and still don't pay for it!
That's just my honest opinion on the subject, which not everyone has to share with me!
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(re: the grandpa striker) --> Yeah, because that's the price of actually playing this game to win. That's where I'm at in America.
I've been able to beat every team in America, save for Atlantic, after 5 seasons in the game. I've already made a Cup final.
Yeah, I should be just training, selling, and making money. Except if that's all I'm left to do, I'll just quit the game. It's boring.
I stay because of the tactics and my ability to be smarter/work harder than everyone else. Without the tactics engine I'd have never stuck around.
The only thing I'm beginning to entertain is the idea of selling off and restarting, simply because our country's so dead now I could probably compete in A league with 18-19 year olds after a season.
The idea of simply making money being a farm team, I'd rather quit. The problem is there's no meaningful income in this game from, you know, actually playing it as Raul wants.
Also, going with 16 year olds is the epitome of a crap shoot from a talent standpoint - no one has any realistic idea of talent at that age.
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I've been able to beat every team in America, save for Atlantic, after 5 seasons in the game. I've already made a Cup final.
Yeah, I should be just training, selling, and making money. Except if that's all I'm left to do, I'll just quit the game. It's boring.
I stay because of the tactics and my ability to be smarter/work harder than everyone else. Without the tactics engine I'd have never stuck around.
The only thing I'm beginning to entertain is the idea of selling off and restarting, simply because our country's so dead now I could probably compete in A league with 18-19 year olds after a season.
The idea of simply making money being a farm team, I'd rather quit. The problem is there's no meaningful income in this game from, you know, actually playing it as Raul wants.
Also, going with 16 year olds is the epitome of a crap shoot from a talent standpoint - no one has any realistic idea of talent at that age.
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I guess I'm just hitting a point of frustration right now, because it seems like building your own team, trying your best, and achieving all you can from the start is not really endorsed by the game here.
The thing is that you do not have to strive to have a team that can compete in the CC. In your country, having a 60 rating team will probably be good enough to get you to top 3 of your country. You're still miles and miles away from the older teams, and thank god that that difference is there! Imagine playing for 20 irl years, having a strong team and then getting overpowered by teams that barely play a couple seasons. I recon THAT would make me leave the game!
My opinion for quick improvements...
1) make an option for a manager to select his team for auto friendlies, so he only has to select a check box to put his team in the national or global friendly pool and then...after the update following the friendly...poof...your team has been selected in an auto generated match against another team within the pool.
2) Place friendlies and cup matches back to wednesday! This has to be the place where you can make a player play for his minutes for training! Now, imagine, you have a star trainee who plays within your A-team, so you skip the friendly... Then the first match on sunday... minute 1...red card. That is instant 50% training loss!
My opinion for quick improvements...
1) make an option for a manager to select his team for auto friendlies, so he only has to select a check box to put his team in the national or global friendly pool and then...after the update following the friendly...poof...your team has been selected in an auto generated match against another team within the pool.
2) Place friendlies and cup matches back to wednesday! This has to be the place where you can make a player play for his minutes for training! Now, imagine, you have a star trainee who plays within your A-team, so you skip the friendly... Then the first match on sunday... minute 1...red card. That is instant 50% training loss!
"The thing is that you do not have to strive to have a team that can compete in the CC. In your country, having a 60 rating team will probably be good enough to get you to top 3 of your country. You're still miles and miles away from the older teams, and thank god that that difference is there! Imagine playing for 20 irl years, having a strong team and then getting overpowered by teams that barely play a couple seasons. I recon THAT would make me leave the game!"
dude just floats though, that's the thing. His performance should be a lot better than it is. :)
My team is grossly inferior yet it performs, because unlike most of America, I don't suck at tactics.
A 60 rating will get you top 6, ratings at this level I find are deceiving, since it seems there are many positions where high scores can hide real player skill weaknesses, or are padded by subskills (think, defender for example) My team is REALLY not very good. I don't have a single magical skill in my entire midfield, nor a single divine defender or 2x unearthly. My goalkeeper, when I joined season before last (ML) was brilliant.
edit: It's been also suggested to me that better tactics seem to boost player scores in some cases, but I am not sure on this.
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dude just floats though, that's the thing. His performance should be a lot better than it is. :)
My team is grossly inferior yet it performs, because unlike most of America, I don't suck at tactics.
A 60 rating will get you top 6, ratings at this level I find are deceiving, since it seems there are many positions where high scores can hide real player skill weaknesses, or are padded by subskills (think, defender for example) My team is REALLY not very good. I don't have a single magical skill in my entire midfield, nor a single divine defender or 2x unearthly. My goalkeeper, when I joined season before last (ML) was brilliant.
edit: It's been also suggested to me that better tactics seem to boost player scores in some cases, but I am not sure on this.
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