Asunto: NEWS Sokker- big changes are coming!

I don't think it's anywhere near decided if you're going off the pressroom release.

This has been approved, but without a binding decision, so maybe it can be improved somehow. I'm gathering opinions, but - what's funny - there are a lot of opposing views that make me think this is very close to a good compromise.

Let me push it on one side :D
16yo-21yo - 100% from friendly :-P

When 50% are in favour of A and 50% are in favour of B, 50% are always wrong. No compromise on this, 18 year olds are not viable first teamers.

"Too easy, making gap between top and new teams even bigger! Killing sokkers soul, this game is about training players and dealing with difficultness of connecting training and playing in matches" etc.

But you can use that 18 only for 5 minutes to get 96%. Or don't, than you get 93% of advanced training from single friendly.

I understand argument with losing substitution just for 5 minutes training of 18yo player, so I will try to push that to 16-18 of 96%+ training just from friendly.
But can't promise.

Take it to 20 and I think it's about right, though I'm still a bit concerned that I'd have to use all my subs. Any injuries and someone misses out.
Honestly the major problem with leaving it at 18 is that makes 16/17 years even more valuable and devalues everyone else, and that's already a big enough problem without making it worse.

16/17 too expensive? Isn't this bad news for top teams and good news for beginners or the poor ones?
The weaker ones will make money more easily by releasing a 16-17 year old player from the academy. The demand for 16-17 year olds will increase, hence the price increase, but at the same time the supply of 18+ players will increase and this will make it easier/cheaper for those poorer to train 18+ players. Not everyone needs to train 16-17 year olds. Such players will simply make more on the market as those richer, get rid of them to replace them with 16-17 year olds.
In addition, with a poor supply of the youngest players, people will also start to train the slightly inferior ones, and this will translate into an increase in the number of average players at 18+ levels. Now many 16-17 year olds on the verge of usefulness are being dismissed.

Besides, the key will be a change in the junior academy, led in such a way as to increase the supply of players who will be suitable for training.
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But that hasn't been the pattern with the system we already have. The perception is already that 16/17 years are too rare, too expensive and that anyone 18 or above isn't worth having. So where's the logic in thinking that making 16/17 year olds even easier to train is going to do anything but make an existing problem worse?

You assume that rarity of 16-17yo players is a problem and you build whole theory around that.
Yes, the 16-17yo are going to be more expensive, Is it really a problem?
The rich ones will spend more money to have such players and as said many times, those players are so expensive just beeing 16-17yo, than they dont increase their value anymore so you can't earn on such players.
Poor ones will have to get such juniors by their own from YS and train them, or sell with profit from rich ones. Good for them! But what to train?! Just train 18+ players, they will be less expensive because of two things:
- more 16-17yo will stay in training cause of higher market value of 16/17yo's while now some of them are simply dismissed = more players will stay in the game
- more 18+ will go to the transfer list from all of those who will try to replace 18 to another 16-17yo's
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The rich ones will spend more money to have such players and as said many times, those players are so expensive just beeing 16-17yo, than they dont increase their value anymore so you can't earn on such players.

yeah, that's not true

you can make amazing money on 16-17yos exactly because they GAIN value. a lot.

just as some examples (and Kyjovsky actually went under market value)

Dimitris Sfouggaras [39012422]
2024-01-18 The Evil`s Sky Monsters 72 649 000 zł
(442 000 zł)
2023-09-04 Pou einai to xartri ygeias??? The Evil`s 11 000 000 zł
(216 000 zł)

Matěj Kyjovský [39325508]
2024-09-21 The Evil`s FC Baška 33 543 650 zł
(542 000 zł)
2024-05-18 1. FC Pikovar Tábor The Evil`s 1 560 600 zł
(135 000 zł)

Grzegorz Fras [39455454] - listed him for 2.5m euro, nobody wanted him, after 1 season:
2024-09-21 The Evil`s Wiejscy Kopacze 29 184 240 zł
(110 000 zł)

that's the whole problem with this idea, 16-17 you make most money on, it's the best market for making money fast on trading
and that's the age you "enable" and make easier to train - while it's already a red-hot market...

at the same time you raise the requirements to train 20+ players, which are usually not trained for profit, at least not for short-term

the priorities are upside down here, you say that you don't want Top teams to get "away" too easily, but you're actually giving them the tools to make a lot of money, while limiting their "slow building process" that is not very profitable

that's the whole problem with this idea, 16-17 you make most money on, it's the best market for making money fast on trading

You make most money, cause you can find such 16-17s easy now, that will be much more difficult if more people will focus on them (cause "making easier to train")), more people will focus on them = starting price of sch players will increase.

but you're actually giving them the tools to make a lot of money

If more people will focus on such players, starting price will increase, but also leaving price will decrease at the same time = selling price vs buying price will not bring such profit like now.

+ even new user will have possibility of selling 16-17yo for higher price than now.
+ everyone who won't be rich enough to but 16-17yo will have lower prices of 18s+ to buy them and traing

You don't factor the fact that you will have A LOT of new users with A LOT of money that were not training before

What you are analysing is a shift towards 16-17yo players

We are not talking about a shift from x to y, we are talking about new money and new users (and their training places) entering the market

This will push poor/small/new users from the attractive/profitable market, again

Where would they get A LOT of new users from?
At the current state it is login once and never come back.

We are talking about giving top level users (from 1st league in small(er) countries + 2nd, 3rd league level in top countries etc.) easy access to training...

Now you basically can't train 16-18yo players when you play at the top - Friday you have National Cup with 1st team, then 2 leagues games with first team, no place to give them training

If you (and that's a serious idea they consider) make National Cup on different day so you can play weekly: Cup + 2x league + friendly, and friendly game will give 96% of training to 16-17yo players...

...then you get A LOT of users with a lot of money who were before NOT training youths and now will massively enter the market to buy 16-18yo players for training because now they will be able to do it EASILY
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Ok, now i get it, its new users entering the 16-17yo market from the existing users.
Makes sense.