Asunto: NEWS Sokker- big changes are coming!

Thats completely true, before i was struggling to get break even every season. Now i always make a nice profit.
I agree that there should be done something about it. But struggling to break even was also not good. The only way to make profit back then was with trading, that should not come back.

I made my point.
Who wants to get what i was saying got it, who does not... those i cant help.
Also in my experience hood talk is not perceived well by people. But thats just an advice, do what you want with it.

Don't forget that the problem which completely unbalanced the economic of sokker was when they doubled amount of home games per season and did NOTHING for a couple of seasons to counter it. So now it's playing catch up with an absurd amount of money pumped into the system.
Is your income from tickets affected in a way that you get 2x less now? I don't think so...

Two seasons ago, it wasn't far off from this, actually.

Moreover, this doesn't change the fact this specific change, besides being illogical from a realism standpoint, adversely affects newer teams more.

The actual thing that needs to be fixed is capping fan number according to the league you are in...
As basically at the moment team in 5th league can have similar amount of fans to 2nd league just due to the fact that theyhave been registered for long time... Which is nonsense...

The big money they have is basically them not paying wages that those fans want them to pay. Current formulas allow it, but they shouldn't have that many fans in the first place

Ultimately, what it comes down is this for a newer team (of which you also are, effectively).

If you want to win right away, and build a stadium infrastructure to support it - you're eventually going to be penalized for it. As I will be. Two seasons ago I spent the bulk of my time in second position, with a top half expecation, and generally pulled about 60% of the stadium income from previous seasons. If my expectation was podium, or vice-championship, this would be understandable.

If you want to farm money instead, like you are successful at, then not only is stadium income irrelevant, but so is your fan base.

I can't post here exact formula, that is obvious I think.
You can't take any of parameters of your team and make conclusions without knowing all the parameters of all teams in the league.

But as example, you can count average fanclub members from the whole league and count how much your fanclub in higher or lower than average. You may have as example 1,26 if your fanclub is 1,26 bigger than average.

Money is the only parameter that isn't counted that way to avoid making money hilarious important. It was counted same way at the begining, but was changed.

I will try to simulate situation how money influences rating comparing to league average notes.

Dont know about fanclub members (wasnt that visible at some point?) but when it comes on team rank then i am 7th in the league, that may corelate with the fanclub members.

So still, it points all to the money factor.

Are you sure that rank is even taken to the calculations? What other parameters are? How many?
Don't make "100%" conclusion without knowing how it exactly works.

But still, I'm not saying it is perfect. If it will be possible, I would like to work on it a bit more, without promising anything.

No i am not sure that rank is taken into calculations. I made an approximation between rank and fanclub which you mentioned.

I am still making 100% conclusion that money is the biggest factor (at least in my league).
I am rarely wrong. But i would be glad if you would prove me wrong, still waiting for it.

I think the misconception is that you think that each factor is limited to how much it can influence final calculation. But one factor can outweight every other factors if there is a very huge difference.

3 seasons ago (note - this was before changes were made to the formula) I was freshly promoted to 5th division.
I was lowest in the league in all publicly known factors:
- position in league table from last season (3rd in VI division)
- number of fans (last - you can check by looking at match prediction)
- average team notes (last)
And obviously I had the most money - so expectations were set to championship for me. Because I had so much more money than the rest, that it outweighted all the other factors.

So after the formula change it got more balanced - the is no doubt this was a good change - even only by feeling you could tell (Geston has the numbers so he can evaluate it of course better).
But I'm sure that still if you have an enourmous advantage in budget compared to your league rivals it will outweight all the rest, even if you are in the middle or close to the bottom in those.

I think the point of confusion is really around what constitutes a 'huge' difference in budget. Are we talking having 5mil more than all your rivals? 50mil? 500mil?

Even a ballpark figure would be helpful in improving our understanding of how the expectations system works. It would also be good I think to understand the magnitude of the budget impact to the formula so that anyone whom is really interested in correcting their expectations to where they believe the true value is can do so by spending the excess cash. Though it would be hard to manage as you can't know right now how much cash you need to get rid of to have the other expectation formula parameters take over.

There is no misconception. I have a good idea how the calculation works, always had it. I think its wrong, others may think is right, that is subjective and that is fine.

They told us that the influence of money was "cut really really down".
What i am saying the influence of money is still the highest factor, at least in my case.

Yes, because you must have such a huge advantage in money that it outweigths all the other factors, where you might be in the middle or closer to the bottom. Even after influence was cut down.
However, without any data we can only speculate that it might be wrong or might be right.

I think money is the only factor that can realistically outweight all the others combined though.

It is not, there are about 3 factors that can overwhelm other ones, but money factor is not that much connected with "football" aspect of the game, so people focus on it comparing to situation how team performs.

Seems new expectations are all about money and kinda indirect shows how much more money people in my leguage have :)

It is :-P.

If you are claiming its not then explain why my expectations are "Champions".
Its pretty simple, until you explain it, money is the biggest factor.

Just a joke:
The could be another factor ".uck this guy in particular" switch. Which would also explain why i am not getting any good juniors :D
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