Asunto: NEWS Sokker- big changes are coming!

Avg prices of 3x 17 attackers (in high form), at age 29, 30 and 31

clear plot, and when I was checking the market I saw an increase on young players. The money is draining from competitive players to young players as the percentage of motivation is gonion more to training / making money than winning

That's my reading. Very sad

I think it is quite normal considering that many managers have been playing his game for already many, many seasons. They've already made the experience of playing competitive. They've already experienced that it takes a lot of time and effort to do so (which it should imho).
And there are only a few new players for who it is difficult to catch up.


So why to target playing competitive when it is easier to play half steam?
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And imho the solution is not to make it more convenient for these mansgers to play the game competitive.

Rather make it easier for the newbies to catch up and make new experiences.

Basically, that is the strategy of the owner.

Unfortunately, I am afraid that it won't work out. New managers are not joining or staying (it is an old-school game). Old managers get frustrated and leave.

Why being so restrictive? There's not enough data (transfers) per request to measure and compare. (eg season 60;62 only one transfer)

Mikoos created also another data table, showing number of players sold for 15m euro or more, that's definitely enough data to compare, I think here he just wanted to show the results on the example that was mentioned (3x 17 ATT)


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Sure, but it is too much biases with so few data.

I've just tried 16 years old with broad criteria (typically ‘highly skilled’ 16 year olds).
Prices increased until the 68 season, then have tended to slow down slightly since then. But it's quite stable overall (and not cheap :-)




Or this one : "trades above 10M"
Prices tends to slowly decrease, suggesting that price inflation (post-reform) has not been resolved; but the number of 10m+ transactions decreases significantly, suggesting that there is less money in bank to bid ‘without limit’.


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Prices remains stable, suggesting that price inflation (post-reform) has not been resolved; but the number of these 10m+ transactions is falling significantly, suggesting that there is less money in bank to bid ‘without limit’.

Nah, I think you're interpreting the data wrongly

you have much less 10m/15m+ transactions

10m transactions from your data - 103 in s68, 29 in s71, 43 in s72 is a huge difference

the "average price" can be misleading as well, since you can have A LOT of baseline 10-10.5m euro transfers that lower the average, while also having players that went for prices that today are unimaginable (like 25-40m euro)

look at top prices from last 8 seasons - in Top 30 you have 0 players from current season. s66-69 = 24 players / s70-73 = 6 players.



and here you have data for top 10/30/60/90

top 10: 7 vs 3
top 30: 24 vs 6
top 60: 48 vs 12
top 90: 72 vs 18

this clearly shows that the really high transfer prices have gone down

your average is simply affected by the fact that while now 10m euro is a very high price, before 10m euro was a "normal" and widely happening price, which takes down the average due to the number of 10m transfers

Why being so restrictive? There's not enough data (transfers) per request to measure and compare. (eg season 60;62 only one transfer)

It's good enough to see the overall trend, of course there will be some outliers (like this season 29yo being higher than previous season), but it doesn't matter for the overall picture.

Btw. your data looks flawed some way....? Are you sure it was well set up?

for example your data shows that in S72 there were 142 16yo players that went for over 10m euro

in Mikoos/Geston database I can see only 5 such players, not 142...?
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It was just 2 examples with large criteria but there are surely more relevant requests ;-) My point was just that you have to look at the bigger picture, otherwise there's too much bias.
Also, my own database is much less exhaustive than Mikoos’. (But there's a lot more data/transactions to draw a trend from, that's what I wanted to say)

for example your data shows that in S72 there were 142 16yo players that went for over 10m euro
1 million; second request is 10 millions whatever ages

Nah, I think you're interpreting the data wrongly, you have much less 10m/15m+ transactions

I didn't say the opposite there is much less transactions; it's seems you was looking on wrong graphic.

the "average price" can be misleading as well, since you can have A LOT of baseline 10-10.5m euro transfers that lower the average

The point is not accuracy but to smooth the many biases to get a trend.
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nope, only 7 trades it's not enough.

for examples some biases: 29y divine at week 11 its not the same price as week 1; a player sell on during sunday evening is not the same on monday morning; a player clearly overpaid (and maybe canceled)... With so few transactions just one of this bias can drastically change average price.

Its' better to increase criterias to smooth those biases than trying to measure on rare trades.
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My graph clearly shows the same trend for all 3 ages, despite all the possible biases. Drop in price for 3x divine strikers (in high form) should be obvious for everyone looking at the chart. Why I restricted data like that? Because adaca started talking about old top attackers and specifically used a 3x17 divine attacker in high form example so I dropped some data about them. Data will be different for the youngest players.

Here are seasons 62-64, 30yo, 3x divine + high form prices:

Here are seasons 71-73, 30yo, 3x divine + high form prices:

The lowest price from seasons 62-64 is higher than the highest price from seasons 71-73. Median price dropped by ~36%.

Meanwhile you look at prices over 10M and see it's always ~13M and draw conclusions about prices only slowly decreasing... Of course if you restrict prices to >10M you will get the average a bit higher than that 10M restriction, because there will always be a lot more 10-15M transfers than 15M+ transfers. If prices drop there will be less 10-15M transfers and less 15M+ transfers. If prices rise there will be more 10-15M transfers and more 15M+ transfers. But 10-15M will always be a big majority of all 10M+ transfers. That average is a useless statistic in that case.
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Of course if you restrict prices to >10M you will get the average a bit higher than that 10M

I did nothing else than "trades above 10M" or basically "top skilled players, whatever ages, positions".
Lets say that prices drop under 10M, those trades are not take into account it doesn't influence avg price. Finally, less trades above 10M and average price is lower, globally it's the same trend as your top striker requests.
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