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They were talented before the reform...or maybe talented before 25 yo and after that, their progress went into the bin.....

You are right.

You mentioned young players who need 5 trainings to 3 technique. That’s not a change in game, that’s just bad talent. I had 24yo getting to magical after less than 5 full trainings.

And how do you compare a 25yo that „had talent before”? 25yo players are already „new system”… and as I’ve said I trained some at that age and I don’t see a difference, maybe you just don’t remember how long it took before to improve at 27-28yo. It always took a lot of trainings.

LOL

it is even worse than that. Want to swap players around in the formation? that's just as wonky. it's so wack that I had to leave myself instructions in my old B league forum here:

https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/910/ID_topic/3592002/pg/0#new

In the last 2 seasons, I probably sold 4-5 players after 8-9 seasons of training....they were pretty talented , otherwise I would have never kept them for so long, and when they introduced the new training system , their progress slowed a lot....maybe younger players get more pops but they balanced with slowing down talent after 25....in 14 years of training , I've never had 14-15 weeks to divine pace at 26-27 yo...this is more than a season of training...
Its almost not worth to buy and train players 26 or older...

Henry Cossey, age: 26
club: Spin Of Terrible Winds, country: New Zealand
value : 7 649 000 lei
wage: 112 300 lei
superdivine [18] form
divine [17] tactical discipline
height: 164 cm, weight: 61.9 kg, BMI: 23.01

formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
divine [17] pace divine [17] defender
incredible [13] technique good [7] playmaker
excellent [10] passing solid [8] striker

14 weeks to divine pace....you can't look like this and have this talent in the same time....he also has 5 trainings and about 20 weeks of gt at defending....I would not be surprised if he needs another 7-8 weeks to superdivine defender
I've only had him for 3 seasons , when he was 23, his pace was 11 and he popped at every 4-5 weeks....after he hit 25, its almost like his talent slowed down with 50%
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This one the same:
Russell Hawksbey, age: 28
club: AC TurboTurbine, country: New Zealand
value : 7 680 000 lei
wage: 144 200 lei
brilliant [14] form
unearthly [16] tactical discipline
height: 174 cm, weight: 72.3 kg, BMI: 23.88

Superb talent at 21-22, took him ages to reach 17+ pace and defender, about a season for each skill I would say...

This is my argument that we will never see a 5x17 again, they can grow like crazy but after 25, they would be lucky to get 3 more pops at higher skills
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Its almost not worth to buy and train players 26 or older...

I dont agree with you. About that statement i would say Its not worth to buy and train players 26 or older...

Before you used to train 25yo+ and you had small earnings. Now it is losing your training, time and money.


I experienced something with a NT player, basically he received around 5 weeks of trining more than expected and he didnt pop up. I just got tired and sold him.
I used to train players for the senior NT. Now it is impossible to half recover your money after the training cycle

This is my argument that we will never see a 5x17 again, they can grow like crazy but after 25, they would be lucky to get 3 more pops at higher skills

Actually I am glad with that, but they were rare players. Now everything is downgraded, not only the sups

I train 24+ players and I have no such problems. And Cossey looks very average to me so I don’t see why he „has to” have a good talent according to you.

After 27 players always trained very slowly. That’s nothing new.

About a 5x divine player so really top talent, training accumulated from 26-28… from year 2017 so before changes

„ Ortwin [del] do Adam
Pace: 10+11GT
Pass: 4+37GT
Pm: 8+14GT

I hope he could make it on pass and pm. Pace probably not, but he could be close to 18. Tech and def definitely not.”

So top talent without pop after ~11 trainings in pace and ~9 trainings in playmaker
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There was a training slowdown for about a season after the reform, but then it was reverted

i was sure that slower training for high skills is still in the game. am I wrong?

14 weeks to divine pace sounds pretty terrible to me at his age...I remember I had talent 8 in the past at the same skill...
He has chances to become 2x17+ , with decent sideskills , I wouldnt say he is pretty average...he could probably play at NT for 80 countries out of 98...
What I was trying to say is he had a good evolution of skills until last season , until he turned 25....
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Show screen of his whole training history from here

I can only go back to 24 and 5/13 , thats probably when I renewed my plus....
I am not saying he has the best talent in sokker , but it was pretty good until he reached higher skills or he got to 25...
Until I see it in my training , nobody can convince me they didnt slow down the training for older players or higher skills...