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Asunto: Worldwar

2008-08-27 18:38:30
Russia and the US don't want to use their weapons, but will certainly use them if needed.

And why they develop those weapons? Simply because it's for their own security.
2008-08-27 18:40:15
exactly, that is the point, maybe better explicated :P
2008-08-27 21:08:09
don't exaggerate:

the US could (could) want a cold war because that would be beneficial for the military-industrial complex because a cold war makes them sell more extravagant and expensive weapon systems without too many questions asked. This was one of the reasons the cold war was allowed to get to its huge proportions in the fifties. If the US has to cut on their defensive contracts, maybe they'll be more careful in letting this one go out of proportions. They still have the diplomatic means to do that.

Russia could want another cold war becaus Putin has stated on numerous occasions that he wants to go back to the old glorious russia with all its military might. Maybe if we stopped caring about the east, he'll shut up and be happy about marching his own armies inside russia. This was how glorious and strong the russian military might was, during the cold war. The only real victims are the russians themselves, but considering that nowadays people wánt to join the russian union these days, it's not our place to stop them.

So I don't see why there should be a cold war unless both sides want one.
2008-08-27 22:31:57
Only USA could gain something with a cold war, but they'd be alone.
Maybe some ex sovietian countries such as Poland or baltic republics have got some reason to hate Russia, but western european countries need to do business with Russia.

I don't think Europe could survive a single winter without russian's gazprom.

The only one who could bring the world into another cold war could be John McCain.
2008-08-27 23:07:09
Putin wants to give russia its 'former glory' back.
He's been building up the military for some years now (money that could have been better invested elsewhere, something that I hold against him whenever someone calls Putin a 'great leader') and giving a nation a foreign enemy puts a leader firmer in the saddle, with lesser criticism against him, as we have witnessed in the other thread (on both sides, btw). So a little cold war won't hurt him and he knows it.
2008-08-27 23:22:01
Since the turn of the century, rising oil prices, increased foreign investment, higher domestic consumption and greater political stability have bolstered economic growth in Russia. The country ended 2007 with its ninth straight year of growth, averaging 7% annually since the financial crisis of 1998. In 2007, Russia's GDP was $2.076 trillion (est. PPP), the 6th largest in the world, with GDP growing 8.1% from the previous year. Growth was primarily driven by non-traded services and goods for the domestic market, as opposed to oil or mineral extraction and exports.[6] The average salary in Russia was $640 per month in early 2008, up from $80 in 2000.[110] Approximately 14% of Russians lived below the national poverty line in 2007,[111] significantly down from 40% in 1998 at the worst of the post-Soviet collapse.[74] Unemployment in Russia was at 6% in 2007, down from about 12.4% in 1999.[112][113]

Russia has the world's largest natural gas reserves, the second largest coal reserves and the eighth largest oil reserves. It is the world's leading natural gas exporter and the second leading oil exporter. Oil, natural gas, metals, and timber account for more than 80% of Russian exports abroad.[6] Since 2003, however, exports of natural resources started decreasing in economic importance as the internal market strengthened considerably. Despite higher energy prices, oil and gas only contribute to 5.7% of Russia's GDP and the government predicts this will drop to 3.7% by 2011.[114] Russia is also considered well ahead of most other resource-rich countries in its economic development, with a long tradition of education, science, and industry.[115] The country has more higher education graduates than any other country in Europe.[116]

A simpler, more streamlined tax code adopted in 2001 reduced the tax burden on people, and dramatically increased state revenue.[117] Russia has a flat personal income tax rate of 13 percent. This ranks it as the country with the second most attractive personal tax system for single managers in the world after the United Arab Emirates, according to a 2007 survey by investment services firm Mercer Human Resource Consulting.[118][119] The federal budget has run surpluses since 2001 and ended 2007 with a surplus of 6% of GDP. Over the past several years, Russia has used oil revenues from its Stabilization Fund of the Russian Federation to prepay all Soviet-era sovereign debt to Paris Club creditors and the IMF. Oil export earnings have allowed Russia to increase its foreign reserves from $12 billion in 1999 to $597.3 billion on 1 August 2008, the third largest reserves in the world.[120] The country has also been able to substantially reduce its formerly massive foreign debt.[121]

The economic development of the country though has been uneven geographically with the Moscow region contributing a disproportionately high amount of the country's GDP.[122] Much of Russia, especially indigenous and rural communities in Siberia, lags significantly behind. Nevertheless, the middle class has grown from just 8 million persons in 2000 to 55 million persons in 2006.[123] Russia is home to the largest number of billionaires in the world after the United States, gaining 50 billionaires in 2007 for a total of 110.[124]

Over the last five years, fixed capital investments have averaged real gains greater than 10% per year and personal incomes have achieved real gains more than 12% per year. During this time, poverty has declined steadily and the middle class has continued to expand. Russia has also improved its international financial position since the 1998 financial crisis.[6] A principal factor in Russia's growth has been the combination of strong growth in productivity, real wages, and consumption.[125] Despite the country's strong economic performance since 1999, however, the World Bank lists several challenges facing the Russian economy including diversifying the economy, encouraging the growth of small and medium enterprises, building human capital and improving corporate governance.[25] Inflation grew to about 12% by the end of 2007, up from 9% in 2006. The upward trend continued in the first quarter of 2008, driven largely by rising food costs.[111][6] Infrastructure, ageing and inadequate after years of being neglected, is considered to be a bottleneck to economic growth.[126] The government has said $1 trillion will be invested in infrastructure by 2020.


So, why the hell should they want another cold war!?
2008-08-28 01:50:18
Why are you all discussing?

It's 50/50, either it happens, or it doesn't!
2008-08-28 10:54:06
We shouldn't forget that Anti-Missle-Shield that the USA is going to build in Poland. Russia isn't very happy with that.
2008-08-28 11:01:12
belgium has nuclear weapons.. why aren't we on the list :D
2008-08-28 11:03:35
Belgium has nuclear weapons who are made by the USA :)
They lay at 'Kleine Brogel' :)
2008-08-28 21:12:59
i bet it smells bad and eats loads of chocolate, so it must be deemed no threat
(editado)
2008-08-29 14:03:50
I think this is a heap of scaremongering.
2008-08-29 14:05:48
why does Belgium has nuclear weapons,
who wans to invade Belgium :P
2008-08-29 14:07:56
part of NATO-agreement.

nobody wants them there:s
2008-08-29 14:11:23
Mensaje borrado

2008-08-29 14:13:36
ironically, this is all it is...

It's a name, an idea to sell a policy.
Just like 'axis of evil'