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Because taxation is theft. And in contrary to most people, I believe theft is immoral behavior.
Taxation is not theft at all. Taxation means that your income is adjusted for the expenses that the government (that is all of us) had to make for you so you could make the amount of money you really made (and the tax is probably too low for the richest people).
You would never be able to make €5k a month (or whatever it is) without the government paying for the construction of roads, waterways, ports, airports, railroad networks (the richest regions of Europe and the America are the regions with the highest infrastructure levels, paid for by the government), the eradication and prevention of infectious diseases (sewer system, pest control, vaccinations and health care are all included in this) and the school system. Admittedly, it's quite hard to estimate exactly which part of your income is due to government expenditure, but some things are quite obvious: 1) if you don't have any income, there's no money that can be withheld, 2) the more money you make, on average, the more the government actually invested in you.
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Taxation is not theft at all. Taxation means that your income is adjusted for the expenses that the government (that is all of us) had to make for you so you could make the amount of money you really made (and the tax is probably too low for the richest people).
You would never be able to make €5k a month (or whatever it is) without the government paying for the construction of roads, waterways, ports, airports, railroad networks (the richest regions of Europe and the America are the regions with the highest infrastructure levels, paid for by the government), the eradication and prevention of infectious diseases (sewer system, pest control, vaccinations and health care are all included in this) and the school system. Admittedly, it's quite hard to estimate exactly which part of your income is due to government expenditure, but some things are quite obvious: 1) if you don't have any income, there's no money that can be withheld, 2) the more money you make, on average, the more the government actually invested in you.
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Greece election and new government promise new minimal wage on level 750€. Unbelievable way of thinking !
They made tons of loans last decades which are not able to pay back now cos they have lived beyond means for years. A lot of Greeks is now tell us that it was mistake of their cheating politicians and not their own mistake as a voters...
So now... voters are more clever and want minimal wage 3 times higher that their country is able to hold.
Slovakia has quarantines to ECB for greece loans up to 1,7 mil. €!!!! And we have minmal wage 380€.
If greeks will not pay it back, every slovak own to ECB 500€ !
How can greeks think that this bad math has something to do with logic or better with real economics rules.
Slovaks, hardworking poor but honest people , are sometimes named as "tiger in central europe" and we are able pay back all our debts and have minimal wage 380€. Greeks, always crying how is the life hard, are not able to pay their loans but they like have 750€ minimal wage. Can have such a economical thinking logic?
Who will not blame greeks voters now ? Nobody of them can say now "somebody is cheating us", they want that new party cos they WANT better salaries (nobody of them carry about their loans).
If Slovakia would take just half of greece loans too, we could live with minimal wage 3000€ for next 50 years, but we are not going to do that.
They made tons of loans last decades which are not able to pay back now cos they have lived beyond means for years. A lot of Greeks is now tell us that it was mistake of their cheating politicians and not their own mistake as a voters...
So now... voters are more clever and want minimal wage 3 times higher that their country is able to hold.
Slovakia has quarantines to ECB for greece loans up to 1,7 mil. €!!!! And we have minmal wage 380€.
If greeks will not pay it back, every slovak own to ECB 500€ !
How can greeks think that this bad math has something to do with logic or better with real economics rules.
Slovaks, hardworking poor but honest people , are sometimes named as "tiger in central europe" and we are able pay back all our debts and have minimal wage 380€. Greeks, always crying how is the life hard, are not able to pay their loans but they like have 750€ minimal wage. Can have such a economical thinking logic?
Who will not blame greeks voters now ? Nobody of them can say now "somebody is cheating us", they want that new party cos they WANT better salaries (nobody of them carry about their loans).
If Slovakia would take just half of greece loans too, we could live with minimal wage 3000€ for next 50 years, but we are not going to do that.
f Slovakia would take just half of greece loans too, we could live with minimal wage 3000€ for next 50 years, but we are not going to do that.
If what you say is true, it would be very dumb of you. But most likely such opportunity actually does not exist...
If what you say is true, it would be very dumb of you. But most likely such opportunity actually does not exist...
We are not going to do that cos this has short life, at the end there is just collapes so we are clever enough to exchange few nice years, maybe 15 and than country collapse. your country are prove that living long time beyond of your means can have just very bad end.
tell us, for record here on forum, do you vote syriza ?
You really think Don Enzo sounds Greek? :p
LOL, my mistake, similar flag (i dont like that colors :-D ) sorry, so we have an answer :-D
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I don't know about the quality of democracy in Greece, but it can't go as far as to let me vote :P
We are not going to do that cos this has short life, at the end there is just collapes so we are clever enough to exchange few nice years, maybe 15 and than country collapse. your country are prove that living long time beyond of your means can have just very bad end.
So you agree with me, you don't do it because it would harmful to you, so I don't see the point in saying Greece is taking (let's see what actually happens there in terms of policies) the profitable but immoral road. It just seems not-profitable to begin with...
We are not going to do that cos this has short life, at the end there is just collapes so we are clever enough to exchange few nice years, maybe 15 and than country collapse. your country are prove that living long time beyond of your means can have just very bad end.
So you agree with me, you don't do it because it would harmful to you, so I don't see the point in saying Greece is taking (let's see what actually happens there in terms of policies) the profitable but immoral road. It just seems not-profitable to begin with...
how exactly the minimum wage in the private sector is going to affect the payments of public loans?
If Slovakia would take just half of greece loans too, we could live with minimal wage 3000€ for next 50 years, but we are not going to do that.
Greece's debt is €320bln, half of it is €160bln.
Slovakia's labour force is 2,2 mln, 2 mln of them are working. Slovakia's nominal GDP is €18.500,- per year or €1.542,- per month. The difference (€3.000,- - €1.542,- = €1.458,-) multiplied by the people that are actually working (2 mln) is €2.916 mln or €2,9 bln per month. With €160 bln, the Slovak government could afford a minimum wage of €3.000,- foor 55 months, or 4,5 years.
This assumes that everyone who's already earning more than €3.000,- per month would see his minimum salary decreased to this new minimum. This would increase Slovakia's national debt to about 195% of GDP (Greece currently stands at 133%.
That money you want to take from Greece will allow you to increase the debt to €3.000,- a month for less than 1/10th of the period and would you leave in even greater trouble Greece is currently in.
Greece's debt is €320bln, half of it is €160bln.
Slovakia's labour force is 2,2 mln, 2 mln of them are working. Slovakia's nominal GDP is €18.500,- per year or €1.542,- per month. The difference (€3.000,- - €1.542,- = €1.458,-) multiplied by the people that are actually working (2 mln) is €2.916 mln or €2,9 bln per month. With €160 bln, the Slovak government could afford a minimum wage of €3.000,- foor 55 months, or 4,5 years.
This assumes that everyone who's already earning more than €3.000,- per month would see his minimum salary decreased to this new minimum. This would increase Slovakia's national debt to about 195% of GDP (Greece currently stands at 133%.
That money you want to take from Greece will allow you to increase the debt to €3.000,- a month for less than 1/10th of the period and would you leave in even greater trouble Greece is currently in.
Oups, i believe you were russian ... Similar flag. But i don't dislike yours colors
your country has bad economy, your real potentional stable minimal wage can be 100-200 € maybe :-). Just my weak estimation :-). So if you want have 750€ you will need to boost your economy and make new public jobs by wasting with borrowed money and this is now a public problem and debt problem.
At this point you are basically making statements about Greece out of nowhere, so regardless of how accurate they may be purely by chance, probably is beyond the Political and Economic Ideologies topic ;)