Asunto: »Political & economic ideologies (communism, capitalism et

who or the big opponents of capitalism?

the present economic system for sure, and the future ones, I guess.
Capitalism i dead, we do not live in..
unless you say this is capitalism or liberism , but it stil does not..

But you're thinking as a 70'/80' man that watch tha tv of his side of the world..
you still think about US and them, right and wrong, good and bad.
I would have think you were a little boy, but i read that 69, so I think that there's a chance you're too old to understand where the wordl is gone in the last 20 /30 years!

where are the arguments....? none? where are all bigmouthed youthsthat earler in this topic were so full of themselves especially because they were so independently leftwing!

It is totally wrong to think that social behaviour can only be reached by socialism..

It is what I said chose between the counries above, started out the same not even 100 years ago; one side was capitalism other socialism and communism...want to know who killed more innocent people? wich societies ar emore tolerant and free for all groups of people, inclusing muslims left extremists and right extremists?

mitch.
again with socialism and capitalism? I pass.

have a good life in the past!
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hahahaha: there we are a clear honest answer; I do not know I pass.....ther eis no arguments against me is there.....all is shut silent...only el pupe brave enough to acknowledge my victorious speech.

And you just called somebody megalomania ?

Some people just don't understand (or don't want to acknowledge) most, if not all, countries in Europe are Social Democracies (wiki - Ideology). Sometimes a bit more right, sometimes a bit more left, depending of the political party/parties that are running the country at that moment and/or the location in Europe.

This is an older article, but nice to read :) World's Happiest Countries? Social Democracies.

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I just can't believe people that does want to realize time has passed and wordl is gone on..
I can't believe we must again and agin talk about thigs that are no more of any political use..

WE have that old ingredients for our cake:
freedoms, ecomonics, state, county, nationalism and so on..

but we can cookthem in new ways and make a new type of cake,
we're not condemned forever to eat this old crap cake!!!

at least we're not condemned 'til we do not condemn ourself!!!

we're not condemned forever to eat this old crap cake!!!

Absolutely true, the world is a dynamic place, constantly changing and never the same :) But for the ideology of Social Democracies, that's the standard we want to live in in Europe, at least most of us.

EDIT: oh, and not only the Europeans want this life standards or else their wouldn't be that much immigration ;)
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social democracy is just result of the fact that capitalism is bad :-D. So EU maybe start approach to communism, but very slowly by first change to social democracy :-DDD

Social Democracy has nothing to do with communism as you probably see it. I'm glad it doesn't:) Also doesn't Social Democracy rule out capitalism,in fact,Social Democracy has nothing against private enterprises and free trade at all.A complete regulated society makes people unhappy,like communism does.There is a very good reason why communism has fallen,it didn't work in reality!People have wishes,dreams,ambitions,freewill,self-determination etc. Don't permit this and the people will revolt.Or the people must be suppressed,tyrranized by the state and don't allow freedom,like for example china does,then communism can work for a bit longer but in the end people won't accept it.
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Sorry but for example french social democracy with its huge central planing is not so far from communism and "5years plans" :) . Huge social expeditures for people are same as in communism.
EU market has huge deformations which are destroying positives of capitalism. Some people think that state control is needed because market can not solve everything but just one example is prove that this is not so true, look on Greece, if capitalism was there without state control this could never happen.

So communism was bad, capitalism is bad but the worst is social controled capitalism =EU.

I think you don't know what is really a liberistic country:
I think the best image og it is a IIIrd wordl metropolis, with his little rich zone, with a few millionaires, a bit of middle class workers around..
and an enourmous shantytown with millions of poor below the level of survival

none of you think about this when you think about "capitalism"?


but it still is a product of this system exaclty as I am, with my welfare..

when you critic our system remember that in the other you'll maybe not have the chance to grow old...

El pupe, I know it very well. I think that capitalistic system works the best but with big negative consequence on people and nature. I dont like him mainly because of big difference between rich and poor which it is creating and also because of what you post here.

Communism system (ok, maybe some light version, not so cruel as we have) could works much better, but just could. People need competition, need pain, need hate, need to abuse each other, that is human being and that is why capitalism works.

one girl told me once..... that human beings dont deserve to live, we are like virus so we deserve to end in the space. maybe she was right.
Virus are living/parastize on organism till they consume it all. Human being are same, we are living and destroying our planet and all environment.

So that is why we can not find good system for us, we are virus and there is just one good system for virus, deleted it ...

As soon as industry was able to developp and at the same time, democraties took control of power, thus capitalism has found its best way to expand : finding a need and satisfying a desire.
Domination, a fundamental system used by animals thus by humans stays the same... Only changed : "blue" (royal)blood system of domination has been replaced by money.

I think we are what we decide to..
..as singles and as people!

I think capitalism has right ideas and wrong ideas in it, as communism and as social democracy..

All this ideologies are now dead or in graet crisis, so we have a chance to think sommething else.
As I said yesterday, we do not have to imagine the ingredients of this new cake, we must think about what to put into and what not, and how to mix them!
This new cake, that will come out, won't be perfect, but surely con be better than the one we're eating now!