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I know its not pure and it will not be. Communism is not my ideology. But i am surely closer to that than capitalism.
I compare capitalism to Hyaena - ergo - Hyaenism
But yes, thats whats our nature. Or better say, of most of us.
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I must add one thing. I should be really enjoying capitalism. A am pretty good in what i am doing, so i am earning quite enough to have a fairly good life. But the thing is, that i feel bad when i see those people arround me. All they want is just everything, and dont care what they do to others when they try to reach their goals. Thats why i hate capitalism.
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I compare capitalism to Hyaena - ergo - Hyaenism
But yes, thats whats our nature. Or better say, of most of us.
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I must add one thing. I should be really enjoying capitalism. A am pretty good in what i am doing, so i am earning quite enough to have a fairly good life. But the thing is, that i feel bad when i see those people arround me. All they want is just everything, and dont care what they do to others when they try to reach their goals. Thats why i hate capitalism.
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and there I stop reading,
you're not thinking by your own,
If you don't read, don't comment. So I'm not gonna react on someone who doesn't read what I wrote.
you're not thinking by your own,
If you don't read, don't comment. So I'm not gonna react on someone who doesn't read what I wrote.
Capitalism leads to:
1. Inhumanity.
2. War for resources.
3. High crime rate.
4. Big wealth differences (poor people - rich people)
5. Very low chance to equal starting opportunities (if you are born in africa, then you just have bad luck, right?)
and so on...
1. No. That is extreme capitalism. I don't like that.
2. See #1.
3. Source?
4. And why is that wrong? Not all people are equal, so wealth differences is normal.
5. Yes, if you're born there, you have bad luck. We cannot give everyone the opportunity to come to the Western world, or our system wouldn't survive (I'm pointing at our health system here, massive immigration will make that fail).
1. Inhumanity.
2. War for resources.
3. High crime rate.
4. Big wealth differences (poor people - rich people)
5. Very low chance to equal starting opportunities (if you are born in africa, then you just have bad luck, right?)
and so on...
1. No. That is extreme capitalism. I don't like that.
2. See #1.
3. Source?
4. And why is that wrong? Not all people are equal, so wealth differences is normal.
5. Yes, if you're born there, you have bad luck. We cannot give everyone the opportunity to come to the Western world, or our system wouldn't survive (I'm pointing at our health system here, massive immigration will make that fail).
I must add one thing. I should be really enjoying capitalism. A am pretty good in what i am doing, so i am earning quite enough to have a fairly good life. But the thing is, that i feel bad when i see those people arround me. All they want is just everything, and dont care what they do to others when they try to reach their goals. Thats why i hate capitalism.
Once again, that is anarcho-capitalism.
The problem with communism is that there is no freedom. People cannot do what they want. They must fit the system, or they are 'removed'.
Edit: and capitalism might have failed in some points, communism has shown it always fails. As there is no alternative, capitalism is the only way to organize our society.
In capitalism, there is a gap between rich and poor people, yes. In communism, everyone is equally poor.
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Once again, that is anarcho-capitalism.
The problem with communism is that there is no freedom. People cannot do what they want. They must fit the system, or they are 'removed'.
Edit: and capitalism might have failed in some points, communism has shown it always fails. As there is no alternative, capitalism is the only way to organize our society.
In capitalism, there is a gap between rich and poor people, yes. In communism, everyone is equally poor.
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BlueZero... you just dont want to accept that communism is dream and leads to much worse things as that you wrote for capitalism. It is nice ideology but dream.
Yes capitalism is very bad, but if you want to have communism, you must made it just by force, because that system will never work. So you should compare what can be real, not just reality and dream.
Yes capitalism is very bad, but if you want to have communism, you must made it just by force, because that system will never work. So you should compare what can be real, not just reality and dream.
Same case is Rubinho, he is not able accept the fact that those negatives which bluezero wrote are common result of capitalism everywhere :-).
The problem with communism is that there is no freedom. People cannot do what they want. They must fit the system, or they are 'removed'.
no. No freedom is just result of trying to have communism for longer time (because it doesnt work).
Those negatives (above) of capitalism are common result of this system.
no. No freedom is just result of trying to have communism for longer time (because it doesnt work).
Those negatives (above) of capitalism are common result of this system.
communism failed all over the world ever since it was invented. It killed more people than the nazi regime by far! It disrupted life for millions of people, and for example it was intolerant towards all religion. Oh yes, everybody was soo much the same, or th ulr and party members...and for all the people they had no value, so very much the same...
Dear Rumpil, don't fool yourself time and time again; everything you value you have to thank capitalism for getting it....everything you dream of is capitalism...
only socialist brainwashed people speak of anti capitalism...but they all value transportation, warm food,.
Even nature is in best hands with rightwing governments, national parks were invented in USA, paid for by peoplewho made money first...
Ofcourse people have to share, that is was Christ told us all!
People will share, voluntarilli, ad USA proves that everyday..
Do you want to know the true figures? In USA more moeny per capita is spend on social projects en help than in any western european country, including Netherlands!
And that, because of lower taxes and less government! People act themselves...people want to help others....but you seem not able to believe that, stating your remarks on communism and how faul the EU is. Thisis what communism does with its indoctrination; you cannot believe that other people can do good, because you cannot see yourself doing just that...
Dear Rumpil, don't fool yourself time and time again; everything you value you have to thank capitalism for getting it....everything you dream of is capitalism...
only socialist brainwashed people speak of anti capitalism...but they all value transportation, warm food,.
Even nature is in best hands with rightwing governments, national parks were invented in USA, paid for by peoplewho made money first...
Ofcourse people have to share, that is was Christ told us all!
People will share, voluntarilli, ad USA proves that everyday..
Do you want to know the true figures? In USA more moeny per capita is spend on social projects en help than in any western european country, including Netherlands!
And that, because of lower taxes and less government! People act themselves...people want to help others....but you seem not able to believe that, stating your remarks on communism and how faul the EU is. Thisis what communism does with its indoctrination; you cannot believe that other people can do good, because you cannot see yourself doing just that...
Sorry, but you have to choose wether you accept this type of arguments or not.
Of course it was totalitarianism. That is what communism leads to. See the history of human race.
You accept it here. But not in my comment. Choose please. Everything i stated is common in capitalism.
Once again, that is anarcho-capitalism.
Dunno, but we have it here. So...
People cannot do what they want. They must fit the system, or they are 'removed'.
I wish that would be true in capitalism. I would glorify capitalism if it would be so. But... its not. This is how it worked in totalitiarism. But it was missused (problem of people not the system).
In capitalism, there is a gap between rich and poor people, yes. In communism, everyone is equally poor.
Did you live in communism? I doubt so. I did.
Of course it was totalitarianism. That is what communism leads to. See the history of human race.
You accept it here. But not in my comment. Choose please. Everything i stated is common in capitalism.
Once again, that is anarcho-capitalism.
Dunno, but we have it here. So...
People cannot do what they want. They must fit the system, or they are 'removed'.
I wish that would be true in capitalism. I would glorify capitalism if it would be so. But... its not. This is how it worked in totalitiarism. But it was missused (problem of people not the system).
In capitalism, there is a gap between rich and poor people, yes. In communism, everyone is equally poor.
Did you live in communism? I doubt so. I did.
Ehm
ommunism failed all over the world ever since it was invented. It killed more people than the nazi regime by far!
Proof? Any? :-))))
I say, that capitalism killed more people than communism and also nazi regime.
But actually there is only one thing that i hate about capitalism:
Capitalism killed morality.
And thats a kind of 100% true.
ommunism failed all over the world ever since it was invented. It killed more people than the nazi regime by far!
Proof? Any? :-))))
I say, that capitalism killed more people than communism and also nazi regime.
But actually there is only one thing that i hate about capitalism:
Capitalism killed morality.
And thats a kind of 100% true.
In my opinion capitalism and especially anarcho-capitalism (purest capitalism, some say too much utopic) are really missinterpreted terms. So what is pure capitalism?
Capitalism means simply liberty (negative). Right to do everything except violence against other beings able to argue.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that poor people won´t get any support but that all support they can get must come from people who voluntarily want to.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that environment will be devasted. It only means that if sufficient number of enough rich people will pay for products made with devastating environment.
In capitalism there are just consumers of values (all people) and it is absolutely unimportant if those values are materialistic or spiritual, greedy or altruistic.. Even communism can be realized when capitalism "rules" (see kibbutzes)
Simply: capitalism is ideology of free market - but NOT ideology of concrete using of this market.
Capitalism surely isn´t what we have today.
BlueZero - When you say "capitalism leads to inhumanity - etc." you say (for me): people can´t be free; they must be rulled by someone enlightened who will control them to do just good things and punish them for bad acts..
Can this be done some another way than by establishing totality? I don´t think so. If people really are bad they will choose also sinfull politicians who will make "inhuman" laws.. - Welcome in "human" Oświęcim
Important note: I am against all wars (that´s important part of every capitalism - check it e. g. in Rothbard), I don´t want to live in luxury and don´t see other people dying and I am vegan - but I don´t want to enslave another people and ban meat production etc. only because of that since I am no valentine.
Capitalism means simply liberty (negative). Right to do everything except violence against other beings able to argue.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that poor people won´t get any support but that all support they can get must come from people who voluntarily want to.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that environment will be devasted. It only means that if sufficient number of enough rich people will pay for products made with devastating environment.
In capitalism there are just consumers of values (all people) and it is absolutely unimportant if those values are materialistic or spiritual, greedy or altruistic.. Even communism can be realized when capitalism "rules" (see kibbutzes)
Simply: capitalism is ideology of free market - but NOT ideology of concrete using of this market.
Capitalism surely isn´t what we have today.
BlueZero - When you say "capitalism leads to inhumanity - etc." you say (for me): people can´t be free; they must be rulled by someone enlightened who will control them to do just good things and punish them for bad acts..
Can this be done some another way than by establishing totality? I don´t think so. If people really are bad they will choose also sinfull politicians who will make "inhuman" laws.. - Welcome in "human" Oświęcim
Important note: I am against all wars (that´s important part of every capitalism - check it e. g. in Rothbard), I don´t want to live in luxury and don´t see other people dying and I am vegan - but I don´t want to enslave another people and ban meat production etc. only because of that since I am no valentine.
I do not defend communism. I am anti-capitalist. And every capitalistic thinking oponent is only comparing capitalism with communism. Thats why it seems that i defend communism.
Capitalism means simply liberty (negative). Right to do everything except violence against other beings able to argue.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that poor people won´t get any support but that all support they can get must come from people who voluntarily want to.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that environment will be devasted. It only means that if sufficient number of enough rich people will pay for products made with devastating environment.
Not true. Capitalism is an economic system. It doesnt state nothing about freedom and so on. You can find it somewhere in democracy ;-) that defines some kind of freedom.
Inhumanity can be the wrong word (as i cant find it in wiki :D), but i really didnt mean that what you stated :-P.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that poor people won´t get any support but that all support they can get must come from people who voluntarily want to.
Capitalism doesn´t mean that environment will be devasted. It only means that if sufficient number of enough rich people will pay for products made with devastating environment.
Not true. Capitalism is an economic system. It doesnt state nothing about freedom and so on. You can find it somewhere in democracy ;-) that defines some kind of freedom.
Inhumanity can be the wrong word (as i cant find it in wiki :D), but i really didnt mean that what you stated :-P.
Not true. Capitalism is an economic system. It doesnt state nothing about freedom and so on. You can find it somewhere in democracy ;-) that defines some kind of freedom.
Capitalism is very much about freedom (or better to say: liberty) - that is that missinterpretation I am talking about ;) Check Rothbard, probably the best capitalistic (libertarian) theoreticians of last 50 years. He states that (anarcho-)capitalism (=libertarianism) is simply the only moral legalistic system and every other system (for him it is even parliamentary capitalism - government is monopoly forceable power) is against liberty of everyone. That is the most improtant for him (and for me also..)
Capitalism is very much about freedom (or better to say: liberty) - that is that missinterpretation I am talking about ;) Check Rothbard, probably the best capitalistic (libertarian) theoreticians of last 50 years. He states that (anarcho-)capitalism (=libertarianism) is simply the only moral legalistic system and every other system (for him it is even parliamentary capitalism - government is monopoly forceable power) is against liberty of everyone. That is the most improtant for him (and for me also..)
The problem with communism is that there is no freedom. People cannot do what they want. They must fit the system, or they are 'removed'.
I begin to read many ideas and i stopped on this one which i'd like to quote and answer :
Freedom is firstly related to freedom of space (freedom of speech came later)... But communism is related to no private property thus freedom of space is for everyone... Then, with this utopia, freedom has a real meaning more accssible to every people than with the system used since the beginning of history of civilization, freedom of space is related to power, money.
As said some users in this very interesting topi opened, communism proposed in the past isnot related at all to the real utopia but to totalitarism. And capitalism is in the same problem... This system is controlled by oligarches.
I begin to read many ideas and i stopped on this one which i'd like to quote and answer :
Freedom is firstly related to freedom of space (freedom of speech came later)... But communism is related to no private property thus freedom of space is for everyone... Then, with this utopia, freedom has a real meaning more accssible to every people than with the system used since the beginning of history of civilization, freedom of space is related to power, money.
As said some users in this very interesting topi opened, communism proposed in the past isnot related at all to the real utopia but to totalitarism. And capitalism is in the same problem... This system is controlled by oligarches.
freedom - politics - democracy
capitalism - economy
Simple as that.
If we would be talking about the theory, then we would need also talking about thery of communism which is also vere missinterpreted in western countries. And also here in this thread.
capitalism - economy
Simple as that.
If we would be talking about the theory, then we would need also talking about thery of communism which is also vere missinterpreted in western countries. And also here in this thread.