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there was times when religion was established and humanity didin't even dreamed about quantum mechanics yet...
not at all aswell as you are explained how echolocation works. thank to science we understand many many things that are far away outside capability of our senses and still there is no place for God in this science made order. it's more than enough to assumpt what i was stated before
Yes, but you forget that we wouldn't know anything about echolocation if evolution did not already supply bats with that sense. It is much easier to understand how a sense works and have knowledge of it when it is already there. Try designing a whole new sophisticated sense like sight, smell, hearing, taste or touch. Or even better, try imagining a whole new one of the exclusively animal senses. Do you really think that evolution was able to design a finite number of senses? "That's it folks. No more senses where that came from."
10. Bats
Bats avoid obstacles and nab insects on the wing by emitting ultrasonic squeaks and interpreting the echo the sound waves make after bouncing off objects in the environment. This biological sonar, called "echolocation," is also used by dolphins to navigate murky waters.
9. Sharks
Never play hide-and-seek with a shark because you'll lose. Sharks have special cells in their brains that are sensitive to the electrical fields other creatures generate. This ability is so refined in some sharks that they can find fish hiding under sand by the weak electric signals their twitching muscles emit.
8. Boa
Temperature-sensitive organs located between the eyes and nostrils of boas and pit vipers allow the snakes to sense the body heat of their prey. There is one located on each side of the snakes' head, so the animals can perceive depth and strike with deadly accuracy even in complete darkness.
7. Hummingbirds
The eyes of insects and birds are attuned to wavelengths of light outside the visible range that humans see in. Birds that appear drab to us are often radiant in colors we donet even have names for when seen in near-ultraviolet light. Telescopes like Hubble make ultraviolet images, which are colorized by technicians so we can enjoy them.
6. Cats
Cats have a mirror-like membrane in the backs of their eyes that lets them hunt and move in almost complete darkness. Called a "tapetum lucidum," the membrane reflects light after it has already traveled through the retina, giving the eyes another chance to nab the photons as they make their second trip.
5. Snakes
A snake flicking its forked tongue might look ominous to us, but it's just the animal sniffing its surroundings. A snakes use its tongues to collect particles wafting in the air. The coated tongue is then dipped into special pits in the roofs of the snake's mouth, called Jacobson's organs. There, the odors get processed and translated into electrical signals that are sent to the brain.
4. Moths
For moths, the term "love is in the air" is something to be taken literally. The furry insects can detect chemical love signals, called "pheromones," emitted by the opposite sex from up to seven-miles away. Some studies show humans also detect pheromones, but the effect seems to require close encounters.
3. Rats
Most rats have poor vision, but they make up for it with the "whiskers on their snouts. They use the long hairs, also called "vibrissae," in the same way that blind people use canes. By whisking the hairs across objects the come across, rats and other rodents form mental pictures of their surroundings.
2. Drum Fish
Some fish like this drum fish "hear" using their air bladders. The bladders detect sound vibrations and relay them to the inner ear via a set of bones in the middle ear called the "Weberian apparatus." Hair cells in the inner ear respond to the vibrations and transmit the sound information to the fish's brain.
1. Migratory birds
Many birds, especially those that migrate, can use the "Earth's magnetic field to stay their course during long flights. Scientists still aren't sure how they do it, but one recent study suggests birds might have a form of synesthesia that lets them "see" the planet's magnetic lines as patterns of color or light that is overlaid on their visual surroundings. Humans must rely on familiar landmarks or the sun's position to locate North, and many can't even manage that.
Yes, but you forget that we wouldn't know anything about echolocation if evolution did not already supply bats with that sense. It is much easier to understand how a sense works and have knowledge of it when it is already there. Try designing a whole new sophisticated sense like sight, smell, hearing, taste or touch. Or even better, try imagining a whole new one of the exclusively animal senses. Do you really think that evolution was able to design a finite number of senses? "That's it folks. No more senses where that came from."
10. Bats
Bats avoid obstacles and nab insects on the wing by emitting ultrasonic squeaks and interpreting the echo the sound waves make after bouncing off objects in the environment. This biological sonar, called "echolocation," is also used by dolphins to navigate murky waters.
9. Sharks
Never play hide-and-seek with a shark because you'll lose. Sharks have special cells in their brains that are sensitive to the electrical fields other creatures generate. This ability is so refined in some sharks that they can find fish hiding under sand by the weak electric signals their twitching muscles emit.
8. Boa
Temperature-sensitive organs located between the eyes and nostrils of boas and pit vipers allow the snakes to sense the body heat of their prey. There is one located on each side of the snakes' head, so the animals can perceive depth and strike with deadly accuracy even in complete darkness.
7. Hummingbirds
The eyes of insects and birds are attuned to wavelengths of light outside the visible range that humans see in. Birds that appear drab to us are often radiant in colors we donet even have names for when seen in near-ultraviolet light. Telescopes like Hubble make ultraviolet images, which are colorized by technicians so we can enjoy them.
6. Cats
Cats have a mirror-like membrane in the backs of their eyes that lets them hunt and move in almost complete darkness. Called a "tapetum lucidum," the membrane reflects light after it has already traveled through the retina, giving the eyes another chance to nab the photons as they make their second trip.
5. Snakes
A snake flicking its forked tongue might look ominous to us, but it's just the animal sniffing its surroundings. A snakes use its tongues to collect particles wafting in the air. The coated tongue is then dipped into special pits in the roofs of the snake's mouth, called Jacobson's organs. There, the odors get processed and translated into electrical signals that are sent to the brain.
4. Moths
For moths, the term "love is in the air" is something to be taken literally. The furry insects can detect chemical love signals, called "pheromones," emitted by the opposite sex from up to seven-miles away. Some studies show humans also detect pheromones, but the effect seems to require close encounters.
3. Rats
Most rats have poor vision, but they make up for it with the "whiskers on their snouts. They use the long hairs, also called "vibrissae," in the same way that blind people use canes. By whisking the hairs across objects the come across, rats and other rodents form mental pictures of their surroundings.
2. Drum Fish
Some fish like this drum fish "hear" using their air bladders. The bladders detect sound vibrations and relay them to the inner ear via a set of bones in the middle ear called the "Weberian apparatus." Hair cells in the inner ear respond to the vibrations and transmit the sound information to the fish's brain.
1. Migratory birds
Many birds, especially those that migrate, can use the "Earth's magnetic field to stay their course during long flights. Scientists still aren't sure how they do it, but one recent study suggests birds might have a form of synesthesia that lets them "see" the planet's magnetic lines as patterns of color or light that is overlaid on their visual surroundings. Humans must rely on familiar landmarks or the sun's position to locate North, and many can't even manage that.
and there were times when humanity was just a dream - quantum mechanics transcends those times either
Edit: it's just as old as God is:D
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Edit: it's just as old as God is:D
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Are you implying it never existed?
11. Human - invented ultrasonography to see by the sound waves
12. Human - invented X-rays to see body bones
13. Human - invented microwaves and use them for comunication by mobile phones
14. Human - invented nuclear power plants - more efficient power suply than any other natural one
etc etc
12. Human - invented X-rays to see body bones
13. Human - invented microwaves and use them for comunication by mobile phones
14. Human - invented nuclear power plants - more efficient power suply than any other natural one
etc etc
X-rays are not invented... US is based upon sth non-invented
my examples are analogical for those animal senses invented by evolution
both use already known and understandable for us effects
both use already known and understandable for us effects
Seriously, religion answers questions about spirituality and morality such as the meaning of life. Isn't it obvious to you that science doesn't deal with that kind of questions?
Interesting, obviously you don't know about the scientific studies of the brain and why we do have morality. We are born with that, if not we would have no problems killing the other and humanity would never had the change to evolve to what we are now. Probably (or maybe even ofcourse) you will reject this answer because my answer includes the word 'evolve' and that will make discussing this a big problem. If you do accept evolution completely, it will be very confusing to me :P
Spirituality (also god) exists because humans can make it up, we have the brain capacity to do so, that makes us different from all other species on Earth.
And there is no meaning of life, other then what you want to make of it. Only humans ask themselves this question (for as far as we know now), but because we can doesn't mean there is 1.
science will never give us the ultimate answer of how and why was the universe was created ... then science would have the possibility of giving us an answer to that.
Science already gives an answer how it started, there was an infinitesimal amount more matter than anti matter. In the links I posted you can find more about this. And why ... because it's part of nature. Is the same as asking 'why are there lions' or 'why does Saturn exist'. Nothing magical about that.
Now, this is pure manipulation.
No it's not, it's a valid and realistic answer to your question. Many science can't be done with the bible in someones hand as the ultimate limits of what he/she will believe and accept is possible or the only truth. I already gave 2 examples but another 1 is evolutionary biology, and if I look this up I can post a list of many more examples.
I can give you also examples of poor art that also has messages negating scientifical facts but that also wouldn't say much about art in general, would it?
Again, art is something completely different as religion and science. No 1 will say religion and science are wrong about this statements, Picasso was right ...
Why do you think that free thinking is an exculsive subscription of science?
Everyone is free to think whatever he/she wants, that's not up to me. And I can't force someone to think something else, even when I give facts that show someones thoughts aren't right. That's a free choice.
BUT, if I read 'free thinking' in another way (read: open minded), scientific possibilities vs biblical impossibilities, then it becomes a completely different story. If we go back to Darwin's time, his free thinking made it possible to see evolution but others in his time couldn't see this because they couldn't think free as they were limited by the biblical definition of 'the creation of life'.
So is free thinking is an exclusive subscription of science ... it depends of what you mean by 'free thinking' and what kind of science. As I already wrote, as long as the biblical impossibilities don't set the limits to be able to do good science it's not an exclusive subscription of science.
I also find myself coming out of the church thinking that the priest ..... thankful that I was able to learn so much from. It all comes down to people in the end.
Great that we have choices, as long as the priests are preaching in churches and the teachers are teaching in schools it's all fine by me :)
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Interesting, obviously you don't know about the scientific studies of the brain and why we do have morality. We are born with that, if not we would have no problems killing the other and humanity would never had the change to evolve to what we are now. Probably (or maybe even ofcourse) you will reject this answer because my answer includes the word 'evolve' and that will make discussing this a big problem. If you do accept evolution completely, it will be very confusing to me :P
Spirituality (also god) exists because humans can make it up, we have the brain capacity to do so, that makes us different from all other species on Earth.
And there is no meaning of life, other then what you want to make of it. Only humans ask themselves this question (for as far as we know now), but because we can doesn't mean there is 1.
science will never give us the ultimate answer of how and why was the universe was created ... then science would have the possibility of giving us an answer to that.
Science already gives an answer how it started, there was an infinitesimal amount more matter than anti matter. In the links I posted you can find more about this. And why ... because it's part of nature. Is the same as asking 'why are there lions' or 'why does Saturn exist'. Nothing magical about that.
Now, this is pure manipulation.
No it's not, it's a valid and realistic answer to your question. Many science can't be done with the bible in someones hand as the ultimate limits of what he/she will believe and accept is possible or the only truth. I already gave 2 examples but another 1 is evolutionary biology, and if I look this up I can post a list of many more examples.
I can give you also examples of poor art that also has messages negating scientifical facts but that also wouldn't say much about art in general, would it?
Again, art is something completely different as religion and science. No 1 will say religion and science are wrong about this statements, Picasso was right ...
Why do you think that free thinking is an exculsive subscription of science?
Everyone is free to think whatever he/she wants, that's not up to me. And I can't force someone to think something else, even when I give facts that show someones thoughts aren't right. That's a free choice.
BUT, if I read 'free thinking' in another way (read: open minded), scientific possibilities vs biblical impossibilities, then it becomes a completely different story. If we go back to Darwin's time, his free thinking made it possible to see evolution but others in his time couldn't see this because they couldn't think free as they were limited by the biblical definition of 'the creation of life'.
So is free thinking is an exclusive subscription of science ... it depends of what you mean by 'free thinking' and what kind of science. As I already wrote, as long as the biblical impossibilities don't set the limits to be able to do good science it's not an exclusive subscription of science.
I also find myself coming out of the church thinking that the priest ..... thankful that I was able to learn so much from. It all comes down to people in the end.
Great that we have choices, as long as the priests are preaching in churches and the teachers are teaching in schools it's all fine by me :)
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I agree (even though, and I don't know why, you assumed I wouldn't) that our brain evolved in a way that it prevents us by default from killing each other. Religion helps us to keep that default position. Some people tend to lose it.
But that stil doesn't mean that science deals with questions of spirituality and morality. I think you should study some more the basic definitions of science and religion. They're really not that complicated.
There are excellent scientists that are both religious and irreligious. This means that a lot of them believe they need religion to help them deal with issues of spirituality and morality. I already quoted here the famous Einstein quote about religion and science and you have some of the greatest scientists in history who were very religious such as Blaise Pascal. He was even a great Catholic philosopher. You should read his Pensees. I mean, Copernicus who discovered the heliocentric system was a Catholic monk. These guys dealt with both science and religion and it didn't prevent them in any way to reach scientific breakthroughs. First universities were formed by Catholics. Rubinho is going to a university founded by Catholics. First university in Croatia was founded by Catholics. Religion, science and education go hand in hand since the beginning of humanity.
And you didn't provide any valid reason why religion would need to be pushed out of schools. If it is voluntary and there is enough interest, it should be there just as any other part of children's activities. Why do you say religion needs to be out and not e.g. chess? The only reason why you want it out of schools is to degrade religion as such and label it as not valuable.
And last, your claim that science gives an answer to the beginning of universe is just hillarious. You are talking nonsense as a true fanatic. I mean, it is a well known scientific fact that no amount of matter that wasn’t there in the beginning of universe is ever added during its expansion. And you claim here that science knows how this whole finite amount of matter was created!? And you are laughing at religious fanatics!? LOL
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But that stil doesn't mean that science deals with questions of spirituality and morality. I think you should study some more the basic definitions of science and religion. They're really not that complicated.
There are excellent scientists that are both religious and irreligious. This means that a lot of them believe they need religion to help them deal with issues of spirituality and morality. I already quoted here the famous Einstein quote about religion and science and you have some of the greatest scientists in history who were very religious such as Blaise Pascal. He was even a great Catholic philosopher. You should read his Pensees. I mean, Copernicus who discovered the heliocentric system was a Catholic monk. These guys dealt with both science and religion and it didn't prevent them in any way to reach scientific breakthroughs. First universities were formed by Catholics. Rubinho is going to a university founded by Catholics. First university in Croatia was founded by Catholics. Religion, science and education go hand in hand since the beginning of humanity.
And you didn't provide any valid reason why religion would need to be pushed out of schools. If it is voluntary and there is enough interest, it should be there just as any other part of children's activities. Why do you say religion needs to be out and not e.g. chess? The only reason why you want it out of schools is to degrade religion as such and label it as not valuable.
And last, your claim that science gives an answer to the beginning of universe is just hillarious. You are talking nonsense as a true fanatic. I mean, it is a well known scientific fact that no amount of matter that wasn’t there in the beginning of universe is ever added during its expansion. And you claim here that science knows how this whole finite amount of matter was created!? And you are laughing at religious fanatics!? LOL
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@CharlesHill God existed efore you were born, and als before any human was born...He created everything, also laws of physics...he is solely repsonsible for moving of all atoms and particals in the whole universe and beyond.
It is a bit sad that people with mediocre education start thinking they know better or know enough to deny the truth and deny God's existance......
It is a bit sad that people with mediocre education start thinking they know better or know enough to deny the truth and deny God's existance......
@CharlesHill God existed efore you were born, and als before any human was born...He created everything, also laws of physics...he is solely repsonsible for moving of all atoms and particals in the whole universe and beyond.
It is a bit sad that people with mediocre education start thinking they know better or know enough to deny the truth and deny God's existance......
Trolling is an art, but you are really overdoing it. Dude.
It is a bit sad that people with mediocre education start thinking they know better or know enough to deny the truth and deny God's existance......
Trolling is an art, but you are really overdoing it. Dude.
I agree (even though, and I don't know why, you assumed I wouldn't) that our brain evolved in a way that it prevents us by default from killing each other.
I edit my post, but maybe you were already writing this post while I did it. So now I'm confused (see first paragraph in my post after edit) .. :P
Religion helps us to keep that default position. Some people tend to lose it.
Well, to use your own words, that all depends of the person and their own interpretation. Some fly plains into skyscrapers because of religion. And, to use another example (ok this is not about killing but about tolerance and basic human rights), I know more religious people who reject freedom of sexuality as non-religious people. And there are many more examples, all because of a book written by man.
But that stil doesn't mean that science deals with questions of spirituality and morality. I think you should study some more the basic definitions of science and religion. They're really not that complicated.
Yes, your right. I did read it differently as you meant, I was talking about religious spirituality. Spirituality can be linked with religion but not necessarily needs to. This discussion becomes really difficult as the definition of these words needs to be the same for you and me so we aren't talking about different things and the problem is that basic definitions don't really exist.
And I don't agree with you science doesn't deal with questions of spirituality and specially morality. This is very difficult to explain in English and not in Dutch :) I'll try ... an example, before the Enlightenment people thought that in nature all men tended towards evil and were depended of a god. Science proved this 'tend towards evil' was wrong and changed this way of thinking completely. Because of this change, if we now see someone do evil things we blame education by parents, social environment, brain malfunction and/or something else. And nowadays they are trying to solve the question why we tend towards good, and this can also change the way we think in the future. Hope you understand what I mean :)
There are excellent scientists that are both religious and irreligious .... go hand in hand since the beginning of humanity.
Yes, because religion always had a huge influence on humanity before the 20th century, everyone was expected to believe in god. Besides, if someone did early scientific research but rejected god he would have been stopped. Even Darwin still had this problem as he had to face his creationist colleagues when he published ‘the Origin of Species’, even though basements of museums were filled with fossils of extinct species but no fossils of species alive in their time (except for a few that still looks about the same as their prehistoric ancestors like crocodiles, turtles, horseshoe crabs and some more).
You can't compare the past with this age as religion isn't the powerhouse anymore as it used to be. I think you will have much more problems giving me names of famous religious astronomers, archaeologists, evolutionary biologists etc. of our time :)
One more thing about Einstein and religion:
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish”, he writes in the 1954 letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind.
Einstein: ‘god is human weakness’
And because it always did go hand in hand is no reason to hold on to it, now is the time to detach religion and science + education. The first one belongs in a church or other houses of god/gods, the other two in schools, universities, labs etc.
And you didn't provide any valid reason why religion would need to be pushed out of schools. If it is voluntary and there is enough interest, it should be there just as any other part of children's activities. Why do you say religion needs to be out and not e.g. chess? The only reason why you want it out of schools is to degrade religion as such and label it as not valuable.
I think I already did, teachers are no priests.
But ok, here are some of my thoughts. First of all, children need to learn what we know, not what we believe (as in religion). Knowing the bible is only useful when someone continuous to do a theological study, to all other studies it's useless to know who crossed the Red Sea, what the 10 plagues were etc. And I think voluntary should be out of the question, all schools should be public schools, no religious schools anymore at all. Second, learning children your god is the right one and the others are wrong won't help tolerance to each other, or towards other ideas rejected by what religion so ever. Third, if teaching religion is allowed it's up to these schools if these children become fundamentalists and then it's a small step to extremists. Fourth, I find preaching to children the ultimate form of indoctrination. If parents make this decision to do it at home it's their own choice, schools should not help them.
And probably I forgot a few to mention, but I think you get the idea.
Important is to know that I don't say teachers of public schools need to say god doesn't exist, that's something for someone’s own private life. Don't know if other countries have this kind of lessons at schools, but use something like 'social education lessons' to teach children about the different religions that exist, as religion is still part of this world and can't be ignored. Inform them about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc., this is teaching and not in any way preaching. This way non-religious children learn something about religions, and religious children learn something about the other religions. Knowing the other = more tolerance.
So do I think it's not valuable, no indeed not really, but as you can see that's not the reason why I don't want it at schools.
And last, your claim that science gives an answer to the beginning of universe is just hillarious. You are talking nonsense as a true fanatic. I mean, it is a well known scientific fact that no amount of matter that wasn’t there in the beginning of universe is ever added during its expansion.
Eeuh, what? I didn’t say anything about adding matter. In the beginning there was matter and anti-matter but when two counterpart particles meet they destroy each other in a small but fierce burst of energy. After the Big Bang (strangely enough) there was a ‘tiny’ bit more matter and that’s what made the universe as we know it. It exists almost completely of matter.
www.telegraph.co.uk - Cern, Alpha and antimatter storage: why antimatter should matter to us
And you claim here that science knows how this whole finite amount of matter was created!? And you are laughing at religious fanatics!? LOL
And I also didn’t say this. The Big Bang theory doesn’t say anything about how matter is created, it only explains how this universe started.
I edit my post, but maybe you were already writing this post while I did it. So now I'm confused (see first paragraph in my post after edit) .. :P
Religion helps us to keep that default position. Some people tend to lose it.
Well, to use your own words, that all depends of the person and their own interpretation. Some fly plains into skyscrapers because of religion. And, to use another example (ok this is not about killing but about tolerance and basic human rights), I know more religious people who reject freedom of sexuality as non-religious people. And there are many more examples, all because of a book written by man.
But that stil doesn't mean that science deals with questions of spirituality and morality. I think you should study some more the basic definitions of science and religion. They're really not that complicated.
Yes, your right. I did read it differently as you meant, I was talking about religious spirituality. Spirituality can be linked with religion but not necessarily needs to. This discussion becomes really difficult as the definition of these words needs to be the same for you and me so we aren't talking about different things and the problem is that basic definitions don't really exist.
And I don't agree with you science doesn't deal with questions of spirituality and specially morality. This is very difficult to explain in English and not in Dutch :) I'll try ... an example, before the Enlightenment people thought that in nature all men tended towards evil and were depended of a god. Science proved this 'tend towards evil' was wrong and changed this way of thinking completely. Because of this change, if we now see someone do evil things we blame education by parents, social environment, brain malfunction and/or something else. And nowadays they are trying to solve the question why we tend towards good, and this can also change the way we think in the future. Hope you understand what I mean :)
There are excellent scientists that are both religious and irreligious .... go hand in hand since the beginning of humanity.
Yes, because religion always had a huge influence on humanity before the 20th century, everyone was expected to believe in god. Besides, if someone did early scientific research but rejected god he would have been stopped. Even Darwin still had this problem as he had to face his creationist colleagues when he published ‘the Origin of Species’, even though basements of museums were filled with fossils of extinct species but no fossils of species alive in their time (except for a few that still looks about the same as their prehistoric ancestors like crocodiles, turtles, horseshoe crabs and some more).
You can't compare the past with this age as religion isn't the powerhouse anymore as it used to be. I think you will have much more problems giving me names of famous religious astronomers, archaeologists, evolutionary biologists etc. of our time :)
One more thing about Einstein and religion:
“The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish”, he writes in the 1954 letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind.
Einstein: ‘god is human weakness’
And because it always did go hand in hand is no reason to hold on to it, now is the time to detach religion and science + education. The first one belongs in a church or other houses of god/gods, the other two in schools, universities, labs etc.
And you didn't provide any valid reason why religion would need to be pushed out of schools. If it is voluntary and there is enough interest, it should be there just as any other part of children's activities. Why do you say religion needs to be out and not e.g. chess? The only reason why you want it out of schools is to degrade religion as such and label it as not valuable.
I think I already did, teachers are no priests.
But ok, here are some of my thoughts. First of all, children need to learn what we know, not what we believe (as in religion). Knowing the bible is only useful when someone continuous to do a theological study, to all other studies it's useless to know who crossed the Red Sea, what the 10 plagues were etc. And I think voluntary should be out of the question, all schools should be public schools, no religious schools anymore at all. Second, learning children your god is the right one and the others are wrong won't help tolerance to each other, or towards other ideas rejected by what religion so ever. Third, if teaching religion is allowed it's up to these schools if these children become fundamentalists and then it's a small step to extremists. Fourth, I find preaching to children the ultimate form of indoctrination. If parents make this decision to do it at home it's their own choice, schools should not help them.
And probably I forgot a few to mention, but I think you get the idea.
Important is to know that I don't say teachers of public schools need to say god doesn't exist, that's something for someone’s own private life. Don't know if other countries have this kind of lessons at schools, but use something like 'social education lessons' to teach children about the different religions that exist, as religion is still part of this world and can't be ignored. Inform them about Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc., this is teaching and not in any way preaching. This way non-religious children learn something about religions, and religious children learn something about the other religions. Knowing the other = more tolerance.
So do I think it's not valuable, no indeed not really, but as you can see that's not the reason why I don't want it at schools.
And last, your claim that science gives an answer to the beginning of universe is just hillarious. You are talking nonsense as a true fanatic. I mean, it is a well known scientific fact that no amount of matter that wasn’t there in the beginning of universe is ever added during its expansion.
Eeuh, what? I didn’t say anything about adding matter. In the beginning there was matter and anti-matter but when two counterpart particles meet they destroy each other in a small but fierce burst of energy. After the Big Bang (strangely enough) there was a ‘tiny’ bit more matter and that’s what made the universe as we know it. It exists almost completely of matter.
www.telegraph.co.uk - Cern, Alpha and antimatter storage: why antimatter should matter to us
And you claim here that science knows how this whole finite amount of matter was created!? And you are laughing at religious fanatics!? LOL
And I also didn’t say this. The Big Bang theory doesn’t say anything about how matter is created, it only explains how this universe started.
Your comment is a great addition - thanks for posting .........
mediocre education
Well, it's HBO. What's yours?
mediocre education
Well, it's HBO. What's yours?
compare yourself with God with HBO...sounds unreasonable to me, honestly.
WO here, in wich people tent to learn more to have a functioning mind of their own instead of repeating other peoples words...one major difference...
But what I ment I said above....and it is not personal....people close themselves for the love of Him.
Mostly it is not the smartest of people who scream the loudest against God .
Tha tis what I ment to say, also, religious people tent to finish their schools and do better in education too....
I will even state here that probably this does count on a personal base aswell; if you would open up to religion and get a hold on it, understand it, or just open up to it, it would bring you a lot.
I know this since I am a relatively new convert to Catholic Church.
What I want is that people ,icluding the denying ones, will find out one day that all their sorrow was caused by themselves being to uptight in their "believe that God does not exist".
WO here, in wich people tent to learn more to have a functioning mind of their own instead of repeating other peoples words...one major difference...
But what I ment I said above....and it is not personal....people close themselves for the love of Him.
Mostly it is not the smartest of people who scream the loudest against God .
Tha tis what I ment to say, also, religious people tent to finish their schools and do better in education too....
I will even state here that probably this does count on a personal base aswell; if you would open up to religion and get a hold on it, understand it, or just open up to it, it would bring you a lot.
I know this since I am a relatively new convert to Catholic Church.
What I want is that people ,icluding the denying ones, will find out one day that all their sorrow was caused by themselves being to uptight in their "believe that God does not exist".
compare yourself with God with HBO...sounds unreasonable to me, honestly.
First of all, he is comparing himself with you, not with your god. And secondly, he actually is smarter than your god. Charles would interfere so that humans like you wouldn't live very long ;-)
WO here, in wich people tent to learn more to have a functioning mind of their own instead of repeating other peoples words...one major difference...
So you have a university degree (WO on Wikipedia redirects me to university)? Which one if I may ask?
But what I ment I said above....and it is not personal....people close themselves for the love of Him.
Mostly it is not the smartest of people who scream the loudest against God .
Trolling as usual. Not based on any fact.
Tha tis what I ment to say, also, religious people tent to finish their schools and do better in education too....
See above.
I will even state here that probably this does count on a personal base aswell; if you would open up to religion and get a hold on it, understand it, or just open up to it, it would bring you a lot.
A lot of nonsense, yes, but I'm going to let you score this one. You do get a lot when you open up to religion.
I know this since I am a relatively new convert to Catholic Church.
How long if I may ask, and what was the reason? What were you before your conversion, atheist or agnostic? (you don't have to answer if you don't want to, this is personal)
What I want is that people ,icluding the denying ones, will find out one day that all their sorrow was caused by themselves being to uptight in their "believe that God does not exist".
It's not a belief. You have a belief that your god exists. I lack that belief. I don't have another belief instead. Atheism is not a belief, it's a lack of belief.
First of all, he is comparing himself with you, not with your god. And secondly, he actually is smarter than your god. Charles would interfere so that humans like you wouldn't live very long ;-)
WO here, in wich people tent to learn more to have a functioning mind of their own instead of repeating other peoples words...one major difference...
So you have a university degree (WO on Wikipedia redirects me to university)? Which one if I may ask?
But what I ment I said above....and it is not personal....people close themselves for the love of Him.
Mostly it is not the smartest of people who scream the loudest against God .
Trolling as usual. Not based on any fact.
Tha tis what I ment to say, also, religious people tent to finish their schools and do better in education too....
See above.
I will even state here that probably this does count on a personal base aswell; if you would open up to religion and get a hold on it, understand it, or just open up to it, it would bring you a lot.
A lot of nonsense, yes, but I'm going to let you score this one. You do get a lot when you open up to religion.
I know this since I am a relatively new convert to Catholic Church.
How long if I may ask, and what was the reason? What were you before your conversion, atheist or agnostic? (you don't have to answer if you don't want to, this is personal)
What I want is that people ,icluding the denying ones, will find out one day that all their sorrow was caused by themselves being to uptight in their "believe that God does not exist".
It's not a belief. You have a belief that your god exists. I lack that belief. I don't have another belief instead. Atheism is not a belief, it's a lack of belief.