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Exactly there where I made this point in that topic (p. 269) the topic changed, so that discussion was never really finished.

p.269 of that topic.

Is there theory at all in Libertarianism that deals with foreign affairs and the presence of other, non-libertarian countries?

If I search for it, I find some things like a Swiss model of neutrality and some things about promoting free trade, but that's it.

Coming from a leftist, it's rather a compliment ;-)

Yes I consider myself also left, but that's not how I would describe myself as that is way to general. Left could also mean I'm a socialist or even a communist, but I'm not. Progressive social democrat is a much better description of what I stand for, and I also don't reject all liberal points as those values can also be good in combination with a social democracy (for example separation of church and state, freedom for the people, capitalism (ok, in my case social-capitalism), and some more).

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Well, it's not the task of a government to protect its citizens from crimes outside its jurisdiction.

Is there theory at all in Libertarianism that deals with foreign affairs and the presence of other, non-libertarian countries?

What foreign affairs?

(Seriously, in a libertarian state, there is no such thing as foreign affairs. There are only private affairs, and they should not be handled by a government.)

Yes I consider myself also left

That's what I meant by it.

Well, it's not the task of a government to protect its citizens from crimes outside its jurisdiction.
Fair enough.

What foreign affairs?
Maybe there were some people that thought about the problem that I mentioned regarding the non-aggression and the resulting increase in likelihood of non-violent aggression.

Also things that are happening in non-libertarian states can have an influence on what happens in the libertarian state. If other governments in countries where the libertarian is exporting too decide that they will only allow imports when certain standards are met, such as standards for products (no cadmium in toys for example), guaranteed minimum wage or other labour circumstances. This can force the industry in the libertarian country to meet these standards as well (theoretically they could split their production, but that might be economical). This can be arranged through auditing companies instead of a government (so it is not an argument why you would need a government, you could also have a private trade union representing the libertarian country), but point is that there can be quite profound impacts on the libertarian country as a consequence of that. I wondered if there were theories addressing (as in researching, developing theories about what this means) these kind of influences (and not what you should do about them). If they are not there, I will drop the Ludwig von Mises institute an e-mail tomorrow :P

Edit: at second thought, the implications of a Libertarian state coming into existence are huge! Migration (inward, outward), drugs, tax refugees and stuff, protectionism by other countries, etc. etc.
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Damn Romney. Because of his visit in Poland I couldn't use the university library for two days. Pffff.

at second thought, the implications of a Libertarian state coming into existence are huge! Migration (inward, outward), drugs, tax refugees and stuff, protectionism by other countries, etc. etc.

Of course they are huge. That's even an understatement.

Were they searching the building for bombs or something like that? :p

Preparing the library for conference, speech or whatever he was doing there - you know, audio/video, places to sit, flags of USA [lol] etc.

it was quite fun though, in Gdansk people were shouting "Obama, Obama" when he was in public :p

I know it is not the best topic to post it but i would not to open a new one...

These are fresh news in France :

"Randstad a publié mardi 25 septembre la quatrième édition de son Baromètre des salaires des "non cadres" (collège qui regroupe tous les salariés du privé n'ayant pas le statut de cadres, ndlr). Ce dernier montre qu'au premier semestre de cette année, l’évolution des salaires a marqué le pas, avec une progression de 2,2% en glissement annuel. Ce rythme est plus faible qu’en 2011. Il était alors de 2,4%, soit la plus forte augmentation jamais constatée depuis le lancement de l'étude en 2007. Le salaire moyen d’un non cadre au premier semestre 2012 s’établit ainsi à 1.495 euros bruts mensuels, indique le groupe spécialisé dans les services en ressources humaines.

Face à la montée du chômage et à une croissance en berne, cette hausse modérée s’explique avant tout par la revalorisation du salaire minimum, qui a atteint 2,1% au terme de l’année 2011, explique Randstad. Au 23 décembre 2011, le niveau du SMIC – celui utilisé dans l’étude – était de 1.398,37 euros bruts. Revalorisé le 1er juillet 2012, il s’établit désormais à 1.425,67 euros bruts mensuel."

Which can be resumed by : workers who are not managers win an average gross salary of 1.495 euros (before social taxes)... The minimum salary who must be given to a worker per month was 1.398,37 euros (gross salary too) when the study was made... The new minimum since 2012 is 1.425,67 euros (gross...)

The liberal way used by Sarkozy worked fine... The salary of workers turn to be uniform as communism way

What a cool day to live into a liberal country as GB :

I don't see the point of the video and I don't see what it has to do with liberalism. Not at all.

That's your problem not mine ;-)

Rejecting liberalism because there is a certain amount (a big minority considering what other ideologies achieve) of poverty under liberalism is like rejecting sex because there is pornography.

Edit: and the UK isn't even a liberal country. It's relatively liberal (from socialist Europe's POV).
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