Asunto: »Political & economic ideologies (communism, capitalism et

No one of the people you mentioned would have sayd your "hero" is a clever mind..

He's not a hero. I just said it was epic. The heroes are those who avoid and evade taxes.
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Like I said, no point in once again having that discussion.
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I call 'em criminals.
I think they must get in jail.
They are thieves.

You have never worked without reporting it to the state? You have never bought something without paying VAT? Come on, in Belgium, a lot of garages ask it themselves: do you need an invoice? I always reply the same.

Perhaps it would have been epic if he just walked in and did his business. But with apparently 37 cameras filming the stuff while he's preaching his propaganda, I'd have had him counting that money himself while observing him if I were that woman.

Normally, when you pay something, you give the money and they count if it's correct. That's the least they can do when he pays his taxes.

You expect that you can steal somebody's money while demanding he shows you it's the right amount you're stealing?
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Normally

exactly. this wasn't normally. what he did is called 'being a bitch'.

exactly. this wasn't normally. what he did is called 'being a bitch'.

Money is money. They should be happy they got some.

Not going along very easily when being robbed is not 'being a bitch'.

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It's theft only according to your opinion/ideology. Unfortunately (well, not really :p), that stands not above law.

Money is money.

I'm sure you'd hold to that opinion if your client paid you ~2k euro in coins.

They should be happy they got some.

why...? by living in the country and having property this guy agrees to pay the property tax, doesn't he? if he doesn't want to pay the tax he can sell his property and leave the country. if he decides to keep the property and stay in the country he has to pay the tax.

Not going along very easily when being robbed is not 'being a bitch'.

well he agrees for this tax, so he is not being robbed. and he is being a bitch even though his action has no impact on anything whatsoever, it has as much sense as if he would paint himself with shit in the city centre.

Do you know the definition of theft? The banks are not taking anything away with force from somebody who was the clear owner and who does not give permission to take his property away. The government does.

Well, as already writen in her, the state garanties the security and property of its citizen.

But you're wrong about theft. Speculation is indirect theft, especially on primary resources like rice, soja, corn, etc. Driving the prices high, so that they make benefit, on cost of the rest of us. If you're really serious about what you're saying, you would agree on that point.

I agree just on one point. The fact that the public debt continiously increased, shows that the state deliberatly had a negative budget, and didn't try to repay that debt. For sure, with no debt, you would probably pay much less taxes. Can't change that by voting (banks invest in every candidate, so don't await a change)...

I'm sure you'd hold to that opinion if your client paid you ~2k euro in coins.

I knew you'd say this. The tax payer is not a client of the state however. He is a victim.

why...? by living in the country and having property this guy agrees to pay the property tax, doesn't he?

Did blacks under apartheid agreed with the fact that blacks are minor people than whites? Did Jews who stayed in Nazi Germany agree with the Nuremberg laws? No. So no, it's not because he lives there that he agrees that he should pay property tax.

well he agrees for this tax, so he is not being robbed.

See above. He does not agree with the tax.
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Well, as already writen in her, the state garanties the security and property of its citizen.

By installing a monopoly, and because 'they provide security' (duh, they have a monopoly) they can take your property away against your will?

Speculation is indirect theft, especially on primary resources like rice, soja, corn, etc. Driving the prices high, so that they make benefit, on cost of the rest of us. If you're really serious about what you're saying, you would agree on that point.

Making a benefit at the cost of others is not theft. It's profit. And yes, this speculation is immoral, I fully agree. There is a difference however between immoral behaviour and criminal behaviour (theft).

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I knew you'd say this. The tax payer is not a client of the state however. He is a victim.

Doesn't matter.

You said 'money is money'. So what difference does it make if it is a victim, or a client...? money is money, right?

Did Jews who staid in Nazi Germany agreed with the Nuremberg laws?

well, they got the option to leave the country :P

So no, it's not because he lives there that he agrees that he should pay property tax.

No. But by buying and acquiring property you agree with everything that is connected with it, amongst others also the taxes.

Following your logic of agreeing - I live in Poland, but I do not agree to be Polish. So what that I was born in Poland and I live in Poland? I demand another nationality, I would like to become a Tralfamadorian:)

See above. He does not agree with the tax.

Well then, I do not agree to pay the toll for highways. Or to buy the ticket for public transportation. Or a football game.