Asunto: »Political & economic ideologies (communism, capitalism et

I know you're in favor of slavery, Charles. You probably even celebrate Sinterklaas.

Please, tell me more ............ it is already late, so for you the usual and best time of the day to post your nonsense.


And Sinterklaas and slavery, yeh very funny :/ Don't know why you post this crap ... oh, I know, it's late. Or maybe you think it is funny, but no, I don't think that's why you post it. Most probably just to provoke.

Btw, research done by Verene Shepherd (of the UN !!! :S), who clearly doesn't know a damn thing about this tradition, a kids feast with presents and lots of candy. There are wars going on, but the UN is condemning a kids feast ...............

wiki - Sinterklaas, for those who don't know.

WHAT in my post would even bring up this image of slavery. truly, comparing apples, not to oranges, but to zebra stripes??? non-congruent

slavery is owning people,
nothing to do about stealing anything.

As always useless propaganda.

It was not directed to you, you were just the last one who said something here.

slavery is owning people,
nothing to do about stealing anything.

Of course it's stealing. Stealing means that you take away something that was the legitimate property of somebody else against their will. So yes, slavery is an extreme form of stealing, while taxes are just 'regular' steaing.

the legitimate property

stealing has nothing to do with taxation. (again lies and propaganda)
property is what a state defy (and allow) it is. so no taxation can be called thief.

You are boring with those posts. we are in 2013. not in 1800..

People who disagree with your ideology are liars. That's a dangerous logic.

And your logic is just plain stupid. It is not dangerous simply because there could never be enough of stupid people buying it that it could ever make a difference.

Taxing is nothing like slavery because a slave cannot change his master by his own free will and you can always go pay taxes somewhere else and enjoy the benefits of street lights and public toilets there. You get what you pay for and if you don't like it, go pay somewhere else. There's always the utopian sub-saharan Africa for the most ambitious tax-rebellious freaks like yourself. ;)
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Taxing is nothing like slavery because a slave cannot change his master by his own free will and you can always go pay taxes somewhere else and enjoy the benefits of street lights and public toilets there. You get what you pay for and if you don't like it, go pay somewhere else. There's always the utopian sub-saharan Africa for the most ambitious tax-rebellious freaks like yourself.

What about Americans? They have to pay taxes on their worldwide income regardless if they live in the States or not. They cannot escape this, unless they reject their American nationality (I don't know if you can do that, I suppose so, but in some countries, that's not possible). But then they have difficulties to visit their families, as they are not Americans. And as long as they don't have another nationality, they can't even go anywhere internationally.

You think this is fair?

And there is no place on Earth I can go to if I don't want to pay taxes or other forms of payments to the state (bribes). So am I really free?

Also, I think it's unhealthy that you imply that only stupid people can follow the libertarian logic.
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I didn't imply that only stupid people can follow "libertarian logic" (even though that's an oxymoron). It is possible to follow it because it's at least consistently illogical. I implied that only stupid people can believe that it could work. But I stand corrected. They don't necessarily have to be stupid. Unimaginative is sufficient.

Well actually, for the USA I think it is fair. What USA does for their expats is well worth that tax. E.g. what other country goes that far in rescuing its citizens from crises abroad? And who doesn't agree is always welcome to join this list. ;)
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I implied that only stupid people can believe that it could work.

'Work' in what you consider is a 'working society', or 'work' in what libertarians consider a 'working society'?

Well actually, for the USA I think it is fair.

Nationality should never play any role in taxation. That's retarded nationalism. Why should Americans who live abroad and never ask anything from the American government be taxed by the American government?

'Work' as in any meaningful and sustainable way.

If you're an American citizen or have any other citizenship, you belong to a group of people. You are a member and so you get to pay for membership. The good thing is that membership is voluntary so there should be no complaints.

Taxing is nothing like slavery because a slave cannot change his master by his own free will

no, you're wrong, taxation is not stealing because both are what state want them to be.
State create rights, so you've property on what state gives you.
State create rules, so stealing is what state decides it is.
a man has no property, no money, no rights, nothing without state.
So calling taxation as theft is simply a negation of structure of reality.

There are no question about democratic legitimation of taxation, in fact it works well in dictatorships and auhtoritarian govs too..

You really like Chemical Ali, don't you?

a man has no property, no money, no rights, nothing without state.

You can continue saying that, but there are other approaches. I know you'll say they're nonsense, but nevertheless: natural law. Hobbes for instance had an interesting view on that.

Also, the Declaration of Human Rights is based on that concept. That's nonsense too, probably?
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'Work' as in any meaningful and sustainable way.

What is meaningful? (Seriously, that's a contested concept.)

The good thing is that membership is voluntary so there should be no complaints.

Tell that to Turkish people. They cannot give up their Turkish nationality. So no, nationality is not always voluntarily.