Asunto: »Political & economic ideologies (communism, capitalism et

voters would be same as are in democracy, so with various opinions, but system exclude sheeps and people who really know nothing about system, economy, or have bad social/human opinions.
Try to imagine how can your election looks if you exclude some social parasits, alcoholics, or just dumb people. There still will be democracy, but just in the circle of people you have some idea about system and are not abusing system or dont have some special own negative purposes.

voters would be same as are in democracy, so with various opinions, but system exclude sheeps and people who really know nothing about system, economy, or have bad social/human opinions.
Try to imagine how can your election looks if you exclude some social parasits, alcoholics, or just dumb people. There still will be democracy, but just in the circle of people you have some idea about system and are not abusing system or dont have some special own negative purposes.

No, that is not democracy. There will be (a lot of) people who have done nothing wrong (so who didn't lost their moral right to vote) but who can't vote. That isn't a democracy. You can call that a democracy to suit yourself, but realize it really isn't.
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Do you think these service would have the same cost in a pure market system, i.e., under competition? Would they cost 50% of your income? I don't really think so. To be sure, the gov't makes some nice roads and hospitals, but these service would be provided much more cheaply under market anarchy, proving that monarchies are better.



this is crazy!
Who wants a private school that teach only to who pays?
and sanity? Do you understand what free vaccination mean for a society?
Who'll pay for policeman and streets, railroad etc???

Private??

Look where capitalism is stronger (southeast asia f.e.), this is the land of your dream?
I doubt

By the way it cost less the public way (studies done) for sanity, transport, school, army, and are in control of public not of every stupid nationalistic or religious fanatic want to buy one..

ok, I am not fun of democracy.... so it will be something different. But can this work ?
some people will not have right vote, but is it really so bad ?

Some people can not be IT specialist, some people can not be doctor, some people are not able to be killer so why everybody must be voter :-) ?

So you are an ethnic German living / who lived in Austria, but you have lived in Czechoslovakia under communist rule, and you live in Slovakia now but you play Sokker under the Czech flag?

I am from German ethnic, but already mixed up with Slovak :-P. No i live my whole life in Slovakia. I was once in Vienna jus to see the city. Yes i live in Slovakia. I am playing Sokker under czech flag because when i started there was no Slovak league and i didnt want to leave my team just because it was not possible to transfer the whole team to Slovak league. But i feel better in Czech forums. Slovak nature is a bit too rude :-).

BZ, that system was not good for talented and very skilled people, also not good for people with own opinion. You just have to forget !
And try remember how low productivity (and also research and so...) there was !

skilled people - yes, there were not payed as they deserved, but actually that is what communism is about. To do a public service. Not to do a much wealth difference between people.
own opinion - very true.

productivity - actually communism was producing more goods than it needed - just because all had to worok
research - you are so wrong here. do you remember cold war? USA and USSR were even. And now you can compare the research in Slovakia no and then. What would be your conclusion? To answer the others: There is almost none research in Slovakia now.

Slovak nature is a bit too rude :-).
Yes true :-D.

You can not have bigger productivity in system where is better productivity very little "rewarded"/bonuses....
as in system where bigger productivity is directly correlated with bonuses.

Just try remember how quality was our production and how much we have our products. Looser russian cars... funny "computers", no science (except PET spoon :-D) OK, food was much better and in construction sector it is very doubtful. OK, we have problem, that we were forced make also war products for exports and we gain nothing interesting for that. But in system where people are forced to compete must be always higher productivity as in system where you can not "lose" you job due to low productivity.

You can not have bigger productivity in system where is better productivity very little "rewarded"/bonuses....
as in system where bigger productivity is directly correlated with bonuses.

I can agree with that. But you have to define the goals of the society. Do you want to have great economical results or do you want pleasant life?

In communism we produced enough goods with less productivity. Is that bad? I dont think so.

Now in capitalism we are forced to have big productivity => causes more stress. Parents come home exhausted and are in no mood to play with their children ... and there it goes. If you live in a city then you surely know how our children are. Its worse every year. I admire the teachers who have to deal with them and that for almost minimal salary.

I like system where the productivity is maybe lower, but more cleaner!
World based on consumption is ill.
But there can not be two system at once, otherwise system with bigger productivity will win.
(need more resources and have better tech / so better army)
So productivity must be high, if you want avoid very ugly WW 3.

So productivity must be high, if you want avoid very ugly WW 3.

Why is that?

I still wonder how you are going to prevent monopolies from occurring, especially when you bear in mind that there natural monopolies (such as water supply networks). There regulation is needed, even in cases where the water supply is completely privatized (such as in England), there is a regulator (OFWAT). Otherwise there is no incentive to keep the price of water just below that of bottled water, and meanwhile sucking in exorbitant profits on a basic need.
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one more time...

if you have one system with big productivity (which consume more resources of course) and another system with higher happiness or other positive aspects but with lower productivity than it is just question about time when that first system will need your resources and will attack you. Other solution of this competition is that that second system will be canceled and this is not possible, I think.

ok, I am not fun of democracy.... so it will be something different. But can this work ?
some people will not have right vote, but is it really so bad ?

Yes, as I've said before, I'm a real democrat.

Some people can not be IT specialist, some people can not be doctor, some people are not able to be killer so why everybody must be voter :-) ?

That is because IT specialists and doctors get paid for it and have some kind of 'power'. Voters don't get paid (of course) and they don't have any direct 'power'. So why exclude people from that?

skilled people - yes, there were not payed as they deserved, but actually that is what communism is about. To do a public service. Not to do a much wealth difference between people.

It's not called a public service when you force a majority of the people into the system against their will. I'd call that slavery. The state should be a public service, but under communist rule, the people are the service for the state.

I see that you are real democrat, but democracy is crap :-).
But till the time I dont think out something better I am not going to kill you :-D.

Anyway, at this thread we can see that none of previous or current system works fine !