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The USA is just as socialist as Europe.
first, define 'socialism' and 'socialist'. Some people here in the US say that Obama is a 'socialist' and I ask them what he has done that is 'socialist'.

It's a total disgrace. Every American who is aware of its history will acknowledge that.
ummm. not sure WHAT about my country I am suppose to think is disgraceful.

Please, tell me the merits of Belgium over the USA.

first, define 'socialism' and 'socialist'.

Everyone who doesn't believe in his non-government utopian world, isn't that obvious by now?

This transatlantic trade deal is a full-frontal assault on democracy

True Americans don't want a smaller Big Brother. They don't want no Big Brother at all. Apparently, you're not a true American. You're probably Canadian.
you just offended Canadians by saying that I might be one :(

Money and greed rules the world ... long live the power of companies and the free market which is created for them to make even more money regardless what is best for citizens and humanity, as not what is best for us but profits is what presidents and CEO's of companies will be judged on.
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first, define 'socialism' and 'socialist'. Some people here in the US say that Obama is a 'socialist' and I ask them what he has done that is 'socialist'.

You're right, socialist was not the right term. Collectivist is.

not sure WHAT about my country I am suppose to think is disgraceful.

Well, the fact that Obama is giving up on America, that's disgraceful. He wants to turn America into a second Europe.

Please, tell me the merits of Belgium over the USA.

Relevance? I'm not defending the Belgian policy. Shit on Belgium as much as you want, I couldn't care less.

Jesus, you still oppose free trade? How retarded are you, really? A free trade area with the States is best thing that could happen for Europe. By a mile.

any government is collectivist. you create a fire department. collectivist. you create public schools- collectivist. you create a standing army- collectivist.

you still oppose free trade? How retarded are you, really?

did you even read? (I've not asked how retarded you are, because I respect you, even if you don't deserve it..)
A free trade area is not what that article talk about.
the article talk about the rules that this free trade area will take.

NB:
you are wrong, a free trade area is only a way to start a war between the working classes of both sides. that ideology (better religion) of free trade just showed its results many times.
It does only one thing: get the rich richer, and poor poorer. Nothing more, nothing less.

any government is collectivist.

Every form of government is in its essence collectivist, yes. But what the government does can differ.

you create a fire department. collectivist

Not necessarily. If it's privately organized, then no. Same for schools and army.

I've not asked how retarded you are, because I respect you, even if you don't deserve it..

I'm just asking. And no, I have no respect whatsoever for you. None at all. Nada. Niente.

a free trade area is only a way to start a war between the working classes of both sides

Either products cross the border or armies do. I prefer products.

It does only one thing: get the rich richer, and poor poorer.

No. It gets everyone richer. Some more richer than others, yes, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Let me quote Thatcher: "People on all levels of income are better off than they were in 1979. The hon. Gentleman is saying that he would rather that the poor were poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That way one will never create the wealth for better social services. as we have. What a policy. Yes, he would rather have the poor poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That is the Liberal policy."

I have no respect whatsoever for you.

that says enough.

Either products cross the border or armies do. I prefer products.

LOL

No. It gets everyone richer

LOL

Let me quote Thatcher

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btw: you missed that part about the lack of democracies that threaty creates..
so you missed the core of the discussion..

that says enough.

I'm merely stating a fact you either already knew or should have known.

you missed that part about the lack of democracies that threaty creates..

I don't care for democracy; you know I'm not a fan of mob rule.

I'm just asking. And no, I have no respect whatsoever for you. None at all. Nada. Niente.

I have no respect for ideologies whose brainwashed followers have no respect for people with diametrically opposite ideas. There is no side that has grasped the truth enough to appropriate the right to insult and belittle others. Such behavior is usually a symptom of being very far from the truth because the truth usually makes people humble and not arrogant.

Let me quote Thatcher: "People on all levels of income are better off than they were in 1979. The hon. Gentleman is saying that he would rather that the poor were poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That way one will never create the wealth for better social services. as we have. What a policy. Yes, he would rather have the poor poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That is the Liberal policy."

Thatcher was no "randroid". She did it the right way so don't quote her. Quote your evil-faced Ayn Rand. ;)

I don't care for democracy; you know I'm not a fan of mob rule.

Even a lynch mob can sometimes be right. Please, don't ever provide an opportunity to prove that exception and stay away from lynch mobs. ;)

I have no respect for ideologies whose brainwashed followers have no respect for people with diametrically opposite ideas.

My lack of respect for El Pupe has nothing to do with his ideas. Nothing. I respect some people on the left side, some I don't. The same case for the right side of the political spectrum.

Thatcher was no "randroid".

That makes two of us.

Even a lynch mob can sometimes be right.

It's not about being right or not. It's about being free or not. The only relevant question when discussing politics.