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game is over now, new deal for win win situation for all, or austerity and collapsion

Don't count on it, your country is far from saved and still needs a lot of help. You have voted for someone who claims to have the answers and the voters believed him, but you voted for change in your country, not for Europe.

Ukraine Chief of Staff Admits No Russian Troops in Donetsk
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150129/1017514425.html

“Right now the Ukrainian army is not engaged in combat operations against Russian regular units,” he underscored.
Muzhenko added, however, that he had information about Russian civilian and military individuals fighting alongside independence supporters in the country’s east.

It had to be shock, for western biased media now :-D

Viktor Muzhenko
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Muzhenko

Sputnik ...... LOL :P Biased and Sputnik in 1 post, you almost got it.

And again:
Iranian news > Israel
Israel news > Palestine
North Korea news > South Korea
Al Qaida news > US
etc etc etc


EDIT: Did you post an article on foxnews also? :P

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/11/13/russia-launches-news-service-to-fight-aggressive-propaganda/

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what a rich and long article, full of facts and so :-DD. It is just simple story, my doughter have much better fairytales.
ok, you like only .com and .eu news...
is this better ?

Muzhenko: Ukrainian army is fighting with no regular units of the Russian Federation
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c64_1422555624

Ukraine Chief of Staff acknowledges no Russian troops in Donetsk
http://www.sott.net/article/292013-Ukraine-Chief-of-Staff-acknowledges-no-Russian-troops-in-Donetsk

January 29th- Ukrainian Commanding General admits there is no Russian invasion of Ukraine.
http://www.discussionist.com/1014104794

and now, the big shock for you, real video of that man, so I called this a prove that he really told it and you know what that man is!
https://www.youtube.com/v/xvEgZUCNI0U

I'm aware that there's a difference. This is exactly why I support lowering the interest rate as long as an effort is made to keep the debt under control (which in itself helps to keep the debt under control).

A lot of people are not aware of this however and they think debt should be reduced to zero. This is one of the things that feeds populism.

"The Dutch banks already repaid their loans to the Dutch government, dude!"

SNS is still government property.

"That really depends on how you look at it. You can say all money lend to Greece comes from other loans, or from taxpayers and even more needed to be loaned as the tax money was already spend helping Greece because their politicians made a complete mess of that country."

No, it really doesn't, it's rather the opposite. Giving a loan to Greece increases the asset side of the balance which is solved by increasing the liability side of the balance (i.e. taking out a loan).

The interest Greece pays on their loan is higher than what the Netherlands needs to pay on their loan. This way the Netherlands generates a (small) income that can be used to decreased taxes.

"And if you talk in % it doesn't sound much, but if you look at it in a different way, how much money this is per person, a lot of Dutch could have used that really well themselves, instead of lend it to some country that more and more turns out to be untrustworthy."

This is populist drivel. Of course the Dutch are kings of managing their money. They don't go on all holidays or visit prostitutes, unlike people in countries in southern Europe.

It more and more seems to be the case that the problems in Greece are caused by Western Europe, not by Greeks or their government.

No indeed, this simple story is almost an exact copy of what you are constantly posting, 'fight against biased western news'. Finally you get it how this 'fairytale' of yours sounds to others :P

Posting the same article 4 times in bold letters (screaming) doesn't make it more true. It's his word against a lot of others who claimed differently, also locals who do know the difference between Ukrainian-Russian language and Russian-Russian language, just as you will recognize dialects from different parts of the country and dialects across the border. But ofcourse, you already know the situation as you know everything. If it's pro-russian they are right ..... Just as the Greek election outcome is all of the sudden a good thing :/

And when I read the articles, he didn't say 'no russian troops', so don't get to excited yet over some of these headers you posted.

And OMG ... a daughter, talking about a shock.

The interest Greece pays on their loan is higher than what the Netherlands needs to pay on their loan. This way the Netherlands generates a (small) income that can be used to decreased taxes.

IF they pay back the loan, or the rent of this loan. Van een kale kip kun je niet plukken :/ Sorry for the Dutch expression, have fun with Google translate :P

This is populist drivel.

I don't think so. Per person is another way of looking at the numbers instead of %. Or you mean the 'untrustworthy' part, we have to see what will happen coming weeks.


Caused by western countries? The 'funny' thing is, the Greeks have votes 4 decades incompetent corrupt politicians, left and right wing, who stole a lot of their money with the help of some powerful families and organizations. All these people became richer and more powerful. And not to forget overall tax evasion, self-employment and corruption, which is already mentioned in previous discussions so no need to discuss this all over again. When this house of cards finally fell down because of the crisis, that took more countries down which were also on the edge already, the EU (who fell for the Greek lies when they joined the Euro, very dumb) helped them out with loans so the country didn't go bankrupt and a significant number of people still get paid (social security like pensions for example). This probably also prevented total chaos, but that's speculation. But now the Greeks are angry and who do they blame, those who helped them with the loans, while they should blame those who really ruined their economy for decades. Because they are angry they have voted a populist communist to save the economy, irony if you ask me. And he is 'helping' the Greek economy by starting problems with those who lend the money to Greece and by flirting with comrade russia.

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"IF they pay back the loan, or the rent of this loan. Van een kale kip kun je niet plukken :/ Sorry for the Dutch expression, have fun with Google translate :P"

This is what I was arguing before. The loans will NEVER be paid back. The loans will expire and another loan with a different interest rate will get issued. Up till now, Greece has paid the interest rates, just as it is supposed to, and there's no reason to think this will suddenly change.

"I don't think so. Per person is another way of looking at the numbers instead of %. Or you mean the 'untrustworthy' part, we have to see what will happen coming weeks."

Yes, this is populist drivel because this way of looking at it is not grounded in reality at all, it is a fantasy. It is an easy and simplistic way to score points and attract voters. The reality is that zero money went from Dutch taxpayers to Greek debt and that the Dutch state actually made money from these debts.

This is no longer about what happened decades ago. This is about what happened in recent years. The EU troika imposed very harsh austerity measures on Greece which wrecked total havoc on the Greek economy. This is totally a fault of Western European powers, not Greece.

And the assertion that Greece is somehow flirting with Russia is ridiculous. Just today, all EU countries agreed to extend sanctions on Russia for another half a year.

It's his word against a lot of others who claimed differently,
So you want tell me that chief of the General Staff and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is lying ?

(btw. did you noticed that those links were .com and similar western articles? That is VERY important, for you :-D )

And you know who is telling the truth, as you know everything.

spuniknews is also .com, but is just another kremlin propaganda site. It's not about .com or .eu and you know that. Another bs comment.

You want to see something 'funny', look at the headers of your posts, and notice the difference. If they are all so objective, how can they all be so different? Someone is changing the story on the way .......
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Now I can copy a previous post of mine again, and tell you how I look at the situation. And links why it's far from ridiculous ... But that's kinda useless.

A last thing, if you think a structural problem of many decades is not a Greek problem but a problem caused by the west in the last few years, go ahead.

I'm not saying that the Greeks didn't initially cause their own problems, I'm saying that western powers made it so much worse that at the moment the main part of the problems is caused by western European countries.

The other 'solution' would have been doing nothing and let Greece go bankrupt with all the consequences we can't even think of or even want to think of. Then I wonder what is worse; demand hard economic reform in exchange for help or the bankruptcy.

No, there are more options. It is also possible to offer loans without imposing harsh austerity measures. More loans might be required, but this could be done by reducing interest rates such that western European countries make less profit or even a small loss. Also, rather than reducing the deficit, Greece might decide to reduce the debt instead. This could be done through a one time harsh tax on the shipping sector.

The problem is that politicians in countries like Netherlands and Germany cannot accept any losses from the rescue packages to Greece as they will be punished very harshly by their electors base even though taking a loss might be cheaper than an economic slowdown in Greece and the rest of the EU (which is what currently is going on). This is why our politicians choose the route that will cost us more in the end.

The EU is a project by Europeans that is not completed yet and maybe will never get completed. We make mistakes sometimes and we will have to learn from them and change our institutions accordingly. The things is that it is a project for all Europeans. Together we are stronger. So when one of us (Greece) is in trouble we all need to step in and take some losses so that we can heal. It is for the greater prosperity of us all. Instead of giving something to the Greek, we're actually making profit for them. When you're together in a project like the EU, you need to be willing to give something away when one of you needs it. Today, however, we refuse to give up even a tiny bit. Even when it is worse for us in the end.