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Nemtsov was just gathering proof about Russian troops in Ukraine. So yes, Putin did win a lot with this murder, and the Ukrainians lost with it.
On the other hand, what did Putin lose? Nothing - the Kremlin media is full of with the same propaganda you just wrote (outsiders killed Nemtsov as a provocation), so Putin's popularity won't suffer at all. There was a demonstration in Moscow with a few thousand participants, but that was already being organized before the murder, and it's really nothing Putin would have to fear about.
I don't know why you mix all these things together.
Because they usually do that. Do you remember Western countries killing criticians of their government? I don't. But Russians do it almost every year, when someone becomes uncomfortable for the Kremlin. And they didn't lose anything with it yet, it actually helps them a lot to govern Russia by fear. What do you think, why isn't there any serious opposition in Russia?
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On the other hand, what did Putin lose? Nothing - the Kremlin media is full of with the same propaganda you just wrote (outsiders killed Nemtsov as a provocation), so Putin's popularity won't suffer at all. There was a demonstration in Moscow with a few thousand participants, but that was already being organized before the murder, and it's really nothing Putin would have to fear about.
I don't know why you mix all these things together.
Because they usually do that. Do you remember Western countries killing criticians of their government? I don't. But Russians do it almost every year, when someone becomes uncomfortable for the Kremlin. And they didn't lose anything with it yet, it actually helps them a lot to govern Russia by fear. What do you think, why isn't there any serious opposition in Russia?
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Who can derive the greatest benefit from this? Ukrainians. bbuuuhhahaha... how?
after the death of that Nemtsov, Putin didn't gain anything, :-o
I have not heard a dumber thing in a long time, unless that was irony...
Putin has one more less opposition leader, that is quite a benefit I would say, no 1 of march march (anti-putin) only a funeral mourning march, so that Putin can now say "it must have been NATO provocation" :-] so russia will need to "support russians in novorossiya" (or whatever you want to call those ukrainian regions...) even more... more war, more deaths of Ukrainians in Ukraine (army or displaced civilians).. more ukrainian infrastracture destroyed, more scaremongering in russia internally, more reasons for tightening the grip on power, more fear of kremlins unpredictability all around... Ukrainians benefit, year right... ;-o
It is either an act of blatend stupidity, or KGB/FSB overdoing, in general no one will even benefit from this kind of thing.
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after the death of that Nemtsov, Putin didn't gain anything, :-o
I have not heard a dumber thing in a long time, unless that was irony...
Putin has one more less opposition leader, that is quite a benefit I would say, no 1 of march march (anti-putin) only a funeral mourning march, so that Putin can now say "it must have been NATO provocation" :-] so russia will need to "support russians in novorossiya" (or whatever you want to call those ukrainian regions...) even more... more war, more deaths of Ukrainians in Ukraine (army or displaced civilians).. more ukrainian infrastracture destroyed, more scaremongering in russia internally, more reasons for tightening the grip on power, more fear of kremlins unpredictability all around... Ukrainians benefit, year right... ;-o
It is either an act of blatend stupidity, or KGB/FSB overdoing, in general no one will even benefit from this kind of thing.
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Nemtsov was just gathering proof about Russian troops in Ukraine.
Yeah, sure...
and of course he told it to everyone but he didn't think about make some copies of his work...
Yeah, sure...
and of course he told it to everyone but he didn't think about make some copies of his work...
Russian media on the death of Nemtsov:
"Marginal oppositionist " . " He liked surfing ", " Putin did not kill him "
Komsomolskaya Pravda : Nemtsov was no threat to Putin
Rossiya 1 : " For the West Nemtsov dead is more interesting "
Gazeta.ru : "This was a terrorist act to frame the Kremlin "
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"Marginal oppositionist " . " He liked surfing ", " Putin did not kill him "
Komsomolskaya Pravda : Nemtsov was no threat to Putin
Rossiya 1 : " For the West Nemtsov dead is more interesting "
Gazeta.ru : "This was a terrorist act to frame the Kremlin "
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It's way more belivable what russian media says then the official western version...
Or maybe Putin tought it would be a good idea to kill just outside the kremlin one of his oppositor while the entire world was whatching him, when the ukrainian ceasefire finally seems to work, the ruble rebounded some 15%...
Nemtsov is way more embarassing for Putin now that is dead, and this is a fact.
Or maybe Putin tought it would be a good idea to kill just outside the kremlin one of his oppositor while the entire world was whatching him, when the ukrainian ceasefire finally seems to work, the ruble rebounded some 15%...
Nemtsov is way more embarassing for Putin now that is dead, and this is a fact.
Of course, he thought. They have already did it a lot of times, and it had always worked very well. You underestimate the power of fear --> a dictatorship has two possibilities:
1) they can bribe people to stand behind the dictatorship --> best example is Singapore with it's welfare-dictatorship
2) they can deter people from standing up against them, so people will either stay passive or they'll believe propaganda --> a clear example is Stalin's Sovietunion or North Korea
Today's Russia does both. Kremlin buys the loyalty of the Russian oligarchy, and strikes fear among the people. Russian society is nothing like your comfortable Italian one. Putin can do anything, the society has been already intimidated very well, Putin just needs to keep doing so. For example by killing another member of his opposition. And if it's true about the proofs about Ukraine, he had a very good reason.
Yeah, sure...
and of course he told it to everyone but he didn't think about make some copies of his work...
After the assassination of Nemtsov, would you dare to bring this to public? I think everyone who could do it, knows that FSB (aka KGB) is watchind all of their moves. Again, it's not your comfortable Italian society, where you can write anything, you won't get killed.
1) they can bribe people to stand behind the dictatorship --> best example is Singapore with it's welfare-dictatorship
2) they can deter people from standing up against them, so people will either stay passive or they'll believe propaganda --> a clear example is Stalin's Sovietunion or North Korea
Today's Russia does both. Kremlin buys the loyalty of the Russian oligarchy, and strikes fear among the people. Russian society is nothing like your comfortable Italian one. Putin can do anything, the society has been already intimidated very well, Putin just needs to keep doing so. For example by killing another member of his opposition. And if it's true about the proofs about Ukraine, he had a very good reason.
Yeah, sure...
and of course he told it to everyone but he didn't think about make some copies of his work...
After the assassination of Nemtsov, would you dare to bring this to public? I think everyone who could do it, knows that FSB (aka KGB) is watchind all of their moves. Again, it's not your comfortable Italian society, where you can write anything, you won't get killed.
In Dutch newspapers I read it's unlikely that Putin himself is behind it. At the moment he already receives a lot of criticism from abroad while he's quite popular in Russia. This is not the moment he can use such bad press. The opposite, that the opposition/Ukraine/the USA/the West is behind it, is even more ridiculous though. It's likely some Putin supporters are behind it and Putin is probably happy that the man is dead while he can act like he has nothing to do with it and promise that he will find and punish who did it.
In the end, though, Putin does not go free. Russia is a country where criminals can do whatever they want as long as they are on the side of the regime. Ordinary people who oppose the regime, however, are quickly turned into dangerous criminals and get arrested.
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In the end, though, Putin does not go free. Russia is a country where criminals can do whatever they want as long as they are on the side of the regime. Ordinary people who oppose the regime, however, are quickly turned into dangerous criminals and get arrested.
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It's at least the 10th time, and I didn't count the oppositionists killed in the Yeltsin-era (and they say it was "liberal democracy" for Russia... bs). Most interestingly the victims are always the oppositionists, pro-government politicians never end up dead. Interestingly these cases usually end up unsolved.
Sorry, I don't believe to any journalist who writes that these are just coincidences. The same thing happens over and over again, and it's always claimed to be some kind of a criminal (or suicide like Beresovskiy's assassination). These "criminals" never get caught. How interesting...
Sorry, I don't believe to any journalist who writes that these are just coincidences. The same thing happens over and over again, and it's always claimed to be some kind of a criminal (or suicide like Beresovskiy's assassination). These "criminals" never get caught. How interesting...
Yeah, I understand what you mean. I think there might be factions that are not under Putins control but which support him and which might do things without asking Putin first. This way, Putin technically didn't do anything. I think it makes sense for him to support these groups so they can take the blame rather than put it on Putin.
"It's way more belivable what russian media says then the official western version..." - simply, no.
"official western version..." - what the hell even that means...? there is no unanimous westen media NATO anti russia stance at all, :-] there is no official version, there is only speculation going in million directions on why, the only possible official version should, and only can come from the kremil.. so far, we have only misinformation (basic nonsense), we know that the cameras on the kremlin walls were switched off, apart from one where the image can not be made out at all, which creates only more speculation...
If you read my first post on this subject, the second one with the russian media was a follow up, on how the the russia gov. will play it down and confuse their own citizens. Like in my post top of the page: "more scaremongering in russia internally"
"It is either an act of blatend stupidity, or KGB/FSB overdoing, in general no one will even benefit from this kind of thing." - saying that Ukraine or anyone will benefit from this is ludicrous, new levels of idiocy. Polish newspapers blame russian nationalits unrelated to putin, so I would read that "act of blatend stupidity", Putin and his coup, seem to be much more calculated in their actions, but in general its the same side of the coin.
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"official western version..." - what the hell even that means...? there is no unanimous westen media NATO anti russia stance at all, :-] there is no official version, there is only speculation going in million directions on why, the only possible official version should, and only can come from the kremil.. so far, we have only misinformation (basic nonsense), we know that the cameras on the kremlin walls were switched off, apart from one where the image can not be made out at all, which creates only more speculation...
If you read my first post on this subject, the second one with the russian media was a follow up, on how the the russia gov. will play it down and confuse their own citizens. Like in my post top of the page: "more scaremongering in russia internally"
"It is either an act of blatend stupidity, or KGB/FSB overdoing, in general no one will even benefit from this kind of thing." - saying that Ukraine or anyone will benefit from this is ludicrous, new levels of idiocy. Polish newspapers blame russian nationalits unrelated to putin, so I would read that "act of blatend stupidity", Putin and his coup, seem to be much more calculated in their actions, but in general its the same side of the coin.
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On the other hand, what did Putin lose? Nothing
Nothing in Russia. Or rather, almost nothing.
But a lot of osutside, in Europe. And the combination of "Putin killed Nemtzov", makes Europe more strongly sympathizes with Ukraine.
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Rossiya 1 : " For the West Nemtsov dead is more interesting "
This fact is indisputable.
Nothing in Russia. Or rather, almost nothing.
But a lot of osutside, in Europe. And the combination of "Putin killed Nemtzov", makes Europe more strongly sympathizes with Ukraine.
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Rossiya 1 : " For the West Nemtsov dead is more interesting "
This fact is indisputable.
It's way more belivable what russian media says then the official western version...
uuggh ...
uuggh ...
So,in today's newspapers I red that the biggest post-communism crysis(in Russia) was in the time when Nemtsov was on the head of Russian government...so,I'm asking you now,why would Putin be afraid of him?
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Russians will never forget the 90's disaster, and Nemtsov was first in line at the time.
But he was top popular in the west, more than Kasparov and Navalnyi, and that's why he's murder have the only purpose to bring more hate and isolation vs Russia.
Accusing Putin for his murder correspond to say he's dumb.
And honestly... we could say everything on Putin but he's stupid....
But he was top popular in the west, more than Kasparov and Navalnyi, and that's why he's murder have the only purpose to bring more hate and isolation vs Russia.
Accusing Putin for his murder correspond to say he's dumb.
And honestly... we could say everything on Putin but he's stupid....
No one is accusing Putin personally, also as far as I know not a single person in "the west" thinks Putin is dumb, most think he is dangerous, if they do think he is dumb, they are dumb.
The accusation is on the part of the mentality of the right wing russian nationalism, spurred by media control or propaganda, Kremlin's centralised "over-control", the accusation is on the part of the regime Putin is creating on false basis, and that is a dumb ideology of isolating Russia, in the name of "soviet union" supposedly glorious past, and territorial claims... which in the modern world can only bring loss/losses in multiple meaning... and by no means "soviet past" was glorious, mostly deadly and treacherous, similarly to the direction this regime is going... "90's disaster" was a conclusion of decades of idiotic policy, again.. the direction modern russian gov. is heading.
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The accusation is on the part of the mentality of the right wing russian nationalism, spurred by media control or propaganda, Kremlin's centralised "over-control", the accusation is on the part of the regime Putin is creating on false basis, and that is a dumb ideology of isolating Russia, in the name of "soviet union" supposedly glorious past, and territorial claims... which in the modern world can only bring loss/losses in multiple meaning... and by no means "soviet past" was glorious, mostly deadly and treacherous, similarly to the direction this regime is going... "90's disaster" was a conclusion of decades of idiotic policy, again.. the direction modern russian gov. is heading.
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