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In every single ex-comunist countries, including yours, the transation from a comunist planned economy to a capitalist liberal economy, was much easier and softer than Russia.
Why???
The reason is only one: Russia in 90's was lead by oligarchs, gangsters and drunks with the only purpose to control as much sources and power as possible. Russia - becouse of his sources in raw material - suddenly become a far west.
The result was normal people was dying by starvation, alchoolism, bullets, aids and so on.
Other ex-comunists countries are more afraid of the return of coumism, but Russia is way more afraid of the return of IMF and Yeltsin gang.
Why???
The reason is only one: Russia in 90's was lead by oligarchs, gangsters and drunks with the only purpose to control as much sources and power as possible. Russia - becouse of his sources in raw material - suddenly become a far west.
The result was normal people was dying by starvation, alchoolism, bullets, aids and so on.
Other ex-comunists countries are more afraid of the return of coumism, but Russia is way more afraid of the return of IMF and Yeltsin gang.
I wouldn't define me as a Russia's expert. I just said what I know and what some friends of mine told me.
I know something about Russia becouse it's an european country with whom we share a lot of history, culture, arts, traditions...
It's enough to visit St.Petersburg's Hermitage and read some Dostojevsky to understand how much Italy and Russia culture have in common.
I know something about Russia becouse it's an european country with whom we share a lot of history, culture, arts, traditions...
It's enough to visit St.Petersburg's Hermitage and read some Dostojevsky to understand how much Italy and Russia culture have in common.
Yes and no,
I don't think you are right in saying it was "softer transition" than Russia, maybe Poland was hit less because we were suppressed earlier but most regions of the CCCP like Ukraine or Kazakhstan, were Russia ifself... and much worse of, than Moscow or St.Petersbourg regions, due to centralisation and they were soviet "minorities" which the soviet gov. was suppressing, in a sense Ukraine had it and in my view still has it even worse,, their transition is still going on now, if you ask me... and it is being slowed down, or nearly halted by "pro"russian intervention supported by Moscow gov....
...in Russia the transition was harder and quicker... but also never finished... that is one of the reasons behind this current mess, it's the "Putin's gang" fear of loss of control over those industrial regions... which they had in their pocket with a pro-russian Ukrainian gov. ...yes it was more difficult in the 90's in russia... but it wasn't any better in the 80's or 70's... and if you advocate that it was, at what and whose cost!... only we (or more precisely you) were not allowed to see that behind the curtain of propaganda, (how soviet statistics work is another story) Russia is (or was) a bit better off now in the 00's, especially for the upper-middle classes, no to mention Moscow's privileged... but for the common Russian (or eastern Ukrainian, for that matter), there was/is not much difference (relatively).. that is also one the reasons behind this "soviet lust" nonsense we see there, and in russia itself... they long for something they do not remember... just like medieval times and horse riding sound romantic, but in reality it was more head copping, fear and crapping underneath your own feet than we can probably imagine...
In a sense Putin's decisions for Crimea on are turning the clock back for the russians... only most don't see the implications yet... blaming it on "west, and captalism" in a sense it is not even capitalism, it was a period of state assets stealing and privatising by the same people... who were, and are in power now, also Putin and his Gazprom is a beneficiary of that "Yeltsin" era... now it just is slightly more under control, but equally fragile... especially with the military spending "sky" rinsing...
Russia, Italy.. a different direction...
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"Other ex-comunists countries are more afraid of the return of coumism, but Russia is way more afraid of the return of IMF and Yeltsin gang."
comparing communism to "yeltsin gang" era, is either insulting, or a poor joke due to lack of understanding. One is responsible for close to hundred millions of deaths worldwide and decades of repressions also brain-washing, and the other is a few suicides of people who were possibly responsible for the previous one, and-or couldn't cope failure of their own lack of judgement or blind faith in a ideology, false ideology which was responsible for a few years of bad gdp in a russia.. in cold numbers... please...
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I don't think you are right in saying it was "softer transition" than Russia, maybe Poland was hit less because we were suppressed earlier but most regions of the CCCP like Ukraine or Kazakhstan, were Russia ifself... and much worse of, than Moscow or St.Petersbourg regions, due to centralisation and they were soviet "minorities" which the soviet gov. was suppressing, in a sense Ukraine had it and in my view still has it even worse,, their transition is still going on now, if you ask me... and it is being slowed down, or nearly halted by "pro"russian intervention supported by Moscow gov....
...in Russia the transition was harder and quicker... but also never finished... that is one of the reasons behind this current mess, it's the "Putin's gang" fear of loss of control over those industrial regions... which they had in their pocket with a pro-russian Ukrainian gov. ...yes it was more difficult in the 90's in russia... but it wasn't any better in the 80's or 70's... and if you advocate that it was, at what and whose cost!... only we (or more precisely you) were not allowed to see that behind the curtain of propaganda, (how soviet statistics work is another story) Russia is (or was) a bit better off now in the 00's, especially for the upper-middle classes, no to mention Moscow's privileged... but for the common Russian (or eastern Ukrainian, for that matter), there was/is not much difference (relatively).. that is also one the reasons behind this "soviet lust" nonsense we see there, and in russia itself... they long for something they do not remember... just like medieval times and horse riding sound romantic, but in reality it was more head copping, fear and crapping underneath your own feet than we can probably imagine...
In a sense Putin's decisions for Crimea on are turning the clock back for the russians... only most don't see the implications yet... blaming it on "west, and captalism" in a sense it is not even capitalism, it was a period of state assets stealing and privatising by the same people... who were, and are in power now, also Putin and his Gazprom is a beneficiary of that "Yeltsin" era... now it just is slightly more under control, but equally fragile... especially with the military spending "sky" rinsing...
Russia, Italy.. a different direction...
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"Other ex-comunists countries are more afraid of the return of coumism, but Russia is way more afraid of the return of IMF and Yeltsin gang."
comparing communism to "yeltsin gang" era, is either insulting, or a poor joke due to lack of understanding. One is responsible for close to hundred millions of deaths worldwide and decades of repressions also brain-washing, and the other is a few suicides of people who were possibly responsible for the previous one, and-or couldn't cope failure of their own lack of judgement or blind faith in a ideology, false ideology which was responsible for a few years of bad gdp in a russia.. in cold numbers... please...
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Actually outside Poland (former Eastern Germany, Czech Republic, Bulgaria,...) there are many ostalgic people
In Russia oligarchs simply stole everything. This was Russian privatization. And Yeltsin/Putin just legalised it for support. And to be honest, in the Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia) it wasnt that different, we perhaps tried distribute it more among common people but the bastards knew ways and used it.
In Russia oligarchs simply stole everything. This was Russian privatization. And Yeltsin/Putin just legalised it for support. And to be honest, in the Czech Republic (Czechoslovakia) it wasnt that different, we perhaps tried distribute it more among common people but the bastards knew ways and used it.
Unfortunately true... also in Poland.. GDP since 1990...
...there is a minority... who naively and nostalgically say that "it was better, under communist rule" :-] but many people all over the world do say that (and want more social benefits), it still doesn't mean it is objectively true.. of course some socialist party officials were better off (still are :-]), as were the special police agents... who tortured people ..they had steady state vacancies... :-] it doesn't mean it was right... for the population and freedom, "extreme or hardcore" socialism is a painful failure in all circumstances for the large majority. Still so far relatively ''The freer the market, the freer the people.'' ideology seems to be beneficial to countries that implement this with understanding...
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...there is a minority... who naively and nostalgically say that "it was better, under communist rule" :-] but many people all over the world do say that (and want more social benefits), it still doesn't mean it is objectively true.. of course some socialist party officials were better off (still are :-]), as were the special police agents... who tortured people ..they had steady state vacancies... :-] it doesn't mean it was right... for the population and freedom, "extreme or hardcore" socialism is a painful failure in all circumstances for the large majority. Still so far relatively ''The freer the market, the freer the people.'' ideology seems to be beneficial to countries that implement this with understanding...
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It reminds me of the movie 'Das Leben der Anderen' (The Life of Others). In the end of the movie, some people who were priviliged by the system show that they're upset and disappointed that they no longer are and that they have to work like everyone else.
Already France is not Charlie Hebdo? :)
Besides, today, the "new, democratic" Ukrainian Parliament honored the memory one of the greatest criminals of World War II, Roman Shukhevych, responsible for the deaths of 120,000 Poles during the carnage in Volyn, characterized by extreme cruelty.
Besides, today, the "new, democratic" Ukrainian Parliament honored the memory one of the greatest criminals of World War II, Roman Shukhevych, responsible for the deaths of 120,000 Poles during the carnage in Volyn, characterized by extreme cruelty.
We share with russia as much as we don't share, or even less. It all depends of what you look for.
And about that part of 'Russia in 90's was lead by oligarchs, gangsters and drunks', the same gangsters are still in power, only united and using their connections and KGB/Sovjet influence and training to control the media and masses, and those who didn't unite, can loose everything in a blink of an eye. Putin does what he wants, he doesn't care about the opinion of the rest of the world. And the Kremlin absolutely controls the national media so Putin will always be the russian hero for those who need to vote for him next election. Just as in other non-democratic countries the government controlling the media, the people will vote for him, maybe not all, often students and young people in more modern cities with more media access and English language fight the corruption as they don't fall that easily for propaganda and nostalgic nationalistic sentimental government rubbish like old(er), dumb and/or less educated people do, but outside these cities he will always win. I wonder if Russians even know about the economic crisis and if they do, ofcourse Putin will never be blamed for it by their own media, others are to blame (foreign nations and enemies, the opposition, etc, all common and well known propaganda techniques which can easily be used when the national media is in government control). Besides, I'm absolutely sure votes don't really matter anymore in this russia, if the people don't vote for him, he or one of his puppets will win anyway with 90% or more votes. As said before, the country is still run by crooks.
As you can see, a completely different story as yours. I wonder who is more right ...
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And about that part of 'Russia in 90's was lead by oligarchs, gangsters and drunks', the same gangsters are still in power, only united and using their connections and KGB/Sovjet influence and training to control the media and masses, and those who didn't unite, can loose everything in a blink of an eye. Putin does what he wants, he doesn't care about the opinion of the rest of the world. And the Kremlin absolutely controls the national media so Putin will always be the russian hero for those who need to vote for him next election. Just as in other non-democratic countries the government controlling the media, the people will vote for him, maybe not all, often students and young people in more modern cities with more media access and English language fight the corruption as they don't fall that easily for propaganda and nostalgic nationalistic sentimental government rubbish like old(er), dumb and/or less educated people do, but outside these cities he will always win. I wonder if Russians even know about the economic crisis and if they do, ofcourse Putin will never be blamed for it by their own media, others are to blame (foreign nations and enemies, the opposition, etc, all common and well known propaganda techniques which can easily be used when the national media is in government control). Besides, I'm absolutely sure votes don't really matter anymore in this russia, if the people don't vote for him, he or one of his puppets will win anyway with 90% or more votes. As said before, the country is still run by crooks.
As you can see, a completely different story as yours. I wonder who is more right ...
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icons stand for: shot, poisoned, hanged and no medical attention while in prison.
red = human right activist
green = businessmen
brown = ex-spy
yellow = journalist
magenta = politician
blue = advocate
With a good summary of how Putin came to power, the picture is just the top of the iceberg: The Putin Murders
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red = human right activist
green = businessmen
brown = ex-spy
yellow = journalist
magenta = politician
blue = advocate
With a good summary of how Putin came to power, the picture is just the top of the iceberg: The Putin Murders
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I think it is also worth mentioning, that the main international opposition to Putin's Russia comes from Poland... more right-wing poles to be precise...
...in a survey made in 2012 results state that 17% of Poles are convinced that the Smoleńsk 2010 crash was not a accident, where as another 19% say in was probably not an accident :-], so about 11,ooo,ooo mln (1/3 of Poland :-o) mostly right-wing poles think that Putin's regime was behind the crash of the Polish presidential plane... on russian soil, killing many anti-russian regime polish politicians and generals of the Polish army... the crash investigation and all the evidence was pretty much monopolised by the russian authorities... unlike the malasian airliner crash in Donieck region.
We will never know the reality of these accidents, but... it makes you think... when you put things in a longer perspective of russian political direction...
"the deconstruction of the (Polish) state has just ended, now people will start disappearing"
- Janusz Kurtyka, 6 april 2010 (died in the Smoleńsk crash 4 days later...) :-]
He was the director of IPN (Institute of National Remembrance) a gov.organisation that investigates nazi and soviet communist regime crimes. (like Katyn, where thousands of polish officers were murdered)
let's just make a short list of few names since the Georgian conflict... worth noting:
23 jan 2008 Polish Military plane crash - 20 dead - top ranking Polish military air force officers die, 4 top aviation experts, 6 commanders of polish air force squadrons..
23 dec 2009 Grzegorz Michniewicz Director General of the PM's Office - "probable suicide" dies few days after the arrangements were made for the Smoleńsk trip.
10 april 2010 Smoleńsk air disaster - 96 dead. mosty right wing anti-putin regime polish politicians, including the president Lech Kaczyński, who was a loud international opposition to Putin, went to Georgia during the war, to help Saakashvili resolve the russian and "pro-russian" advance, in Osetia.
...also 11 of the highest ranking generals of the Polish army and navy died in the crash... 16 other top military officials...
27 april 2010 Stefan Zielonka, Military Intelligence Service cryptographer - found dead by the Vistula river "probable suicide"
2 June 2010 Krzysztof Knyż died from sepsis in Moscow, TVN polish independent tv cameraman who was one of the first reporters on the site of the smolensk crash...
2 dec 2011 Dariusz Szpineta aviation expert who wrote a book "operation: smoleńsk lie" - found dead in India, probable suicide.
16 june 2012 gen.Sławomir Petelicki founder of GROM special forces unit (Polish SAS), secret service agent.. - "probable suicide" , in a car park between two cars.. :-]
...and more...
...these are all facts... that happened between the Georgian and the Ukrainian conflicts (both russian military incursions), it is not a james bond script, not my opinion, all facts ...it all raises a lot of questions, gives hardly any answers.... personally I am unconvinced by both sides of the argument of the crash vs russian assassination... :-] ...but... to say the least - it seems that Putin's oppositionists have no luck whatsoever... :-]
PS. also there is something to think about the so called polish "anti-Russian" stance.
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...in a survey made in 2012 results state that 17% of Poles are convinced that the Smoleńsk 2010 crash was not a accident, where as another 19% say in was probably not an accident :-], so about 11,ooo,ooo mln (1/3 of Poland :-o) mostly right-wing poles think that Putin's regime was behind the crash of the Polish presidential plane... on russian soil, killing many anti-russian regime polish politicians and generals of the Polish army... the crash investigation and all the evidence was pretty much monopolised by the russian authorities... unlike the malasian airliner crash in Donieck region.
We will never know the reality of these accidents, but... it makes you think... when you put things in a longer perspective of russian political direction...
"the deconstruction of the (Polish) state has just ended, now people will start disappearing"
- Janusz Kurtyka, 6 april 2010 (died in the Smoleńsk crash 4 days later...) :-]
He was the director of IPN (Institute of National Remembrance) a gov.organisation that investigates nazi and soviet communist regime crimes. (like Katyn, where thousands of polish officers were murdered)
let's just make a short list of few names since the Georgian conflict... worth noting:
23 jan 2008 Polish Military plane crash - 20 dead - top ranking Polish military air force officers die, 4 top aviation experts, 6 commanders of polish air force squadrons..
23 dec 2009 Grzegorz Michniewicz Director General of the PM's Office - "probable suicide" dies few days after the arrangements were made for the Smoleńsk trip.
10 april 2010 Smoleńsk air disaster - 96 dead. mosty right wing anti-putin regime polish politicians, including the president Lech Kaczyński, who was a loud international opposition to Putin, went to Georgia during the war, to help Saakashvili resolve the russian and "pro-russian" advance, in Osetia.
...also 11 of the highest ranking generals of the Polish army and navy died in the crash... 16 other top military officials...
27 april 2010 Stefan Zielonka, Military Intelligence Service cryptographer - found dead by the Vistula river "probable suicide"
2 June 2010 Krzysztof Knyż died from sepsis in Moscow, TVN polish independent tv cameraman who was one of the first reporters on the site of the smolensk crash...
2 dec 2011 Dariusz Szpineta aviation expert who wrote a book "operation: smoleńsk lie" - found dead in India, probable suicide.
16 june 2012 gen.Sławomir Petelicki founder of GROM special forces unit (Polish SAS), secret service agent.. - "probable suicide" , in a car park between two cars.. :-]
...and more...
...these are all facts... that happened between the Georgian and the Ukrainian conflicts (both russian military incursions), it is not a james bond script, not my opinion, all facts ...it all raises a lot of questions, gives hardly any answers.... personally I am unconvinced by both sides of the argument of the crash vs russian assassination... :-] ...but... to say the least - it seems that Putin's oppositionists have no luck whatsoever... :-]
PS. also there is something to think about the so called polish "anti-Russian" stance.
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A funny way of looking at the messed up situation in Russia, the Daily Show last week:
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/jzeo3y/putin-on-the-hits
http://digg.com/video/the-daily-show-recaps-the-murder-of-boris-nemtsov edit: it looks like this 1 is missing the end
(same link, but some links don't work in countries so this way 2 options to watch part of the show, hopefully at least 1 will work properly)
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http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/jzeo3y/putin-on-the-hits
http://digg.com/video/the-daily-show-recaps-the-murder-of-boris-nemtsov edit: it looks like this 1 is missing the end
(same link, but some links don't work in countries so this way 2 options to watch part of the show, hopefully at least 1 will work properly)
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but... to say the least - it seems that Putin's oppositionists have no luck whatsoever...
Yeh :/
Yeh :/