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Who lend money for a big interest (giving condition and gaining power by this) don't do it for help.

No one gives money for free. And the interest on new loans, if someone is still willing to borrow Greece money with the risk they won't repay it, will only go up when Greece won't repay the current loans, or won't even try to do it.

But I prefer to keep separated the political/right/economic analysis from moral values.

I don't because elections are coming and the Greeks have to make a choice, vote morally right or wrong.
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the only choice know is democracy and freedom and we hope all the countrys follow to the freedom from debts

Populistic blabber to justify wrong behavior :/

Voters have responsibility for elections, but who is satisified with its government and would take responsibility for its representatives completely? It were not people who decided to join Eurozone, falsify economical data, follow plan of loans for reforms and cuts. Greece as country and its representatives should be blamed first hand, voters second hand. And then we should blame people in other about 40 European countries where people voted populists.

you dont have a clue man!

we will vote moraly to change things


http://www.euro2day.gr/ftcom_en/article ... ct-to.html



Syriza turns Greek oligarchs from taboo subject to economic priority


They are Greece's best-known tycoons, admired and loathed in equal measure for their vast wealth and deep political connections. While ordinary Greeks call them "diaplekomenoi" (the entangled ones) or "davatzides" (pimps), economists call them oligarchs because of their grip on the country's business life.

Oligarchs or pimps, their role in Greek politics and society is under scrutiny ahead of this month's election.

The far-left Syriza party, which is tipped to win a snap general election on January 25, has declared war on the oligarchs if it comes to power. George Stathakis, the party's shadow development minister, told the Financial Times last week that Syriza would end the practice of governments handing out television licences for free to their political friends and review contentious privatisation sales. Tackling the oligarchs' grip on the economy "will be a priority" he said.

every bank giving loans to greece knew very well that greece will not be able to pay it back. They just know that EU will save them. Every bank should be left on its own and maybe a lot of them would go to bankruptcy, but inadequate rist of commercial bank is they risk, not ours.

So the bank abuse Greeks and Greeks was so happy living in rich conditions that they dont want see future results..everybody is guilty. But banks were saved and greeks not.

Greece as country and its representatives should be blamed first hand, voters second hand. And then we should blame people in other about 40 European countries where people voted populists.

You forget on france and germany banks. They would be not guilty if they will not be saved by EU!
So... 1. greece representatives 2. people for naive voting and 3th western banks.

But Slovakia and other poor countries help them, so Slovakia can be proud, that in spite of the fact that a lot of us dont have what to eat some members of EU has still they luxury life. (i mean all 3 mention sides). We are glad to help rich people.

Few verbs from Nigel Farage

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30776186

Greece as country and its representatives should be blamed first hand, voters second hand.

Not knowing they voted for liars I can understand, but voting for thiefs when they do know what is going to happen is completely different. That's how I see it.

He said: "i'm not charlie, i am for death penalty"

So he thinks exactly like terrorists, it's clear ...
It were a very good joke if it was on a caricatur ^^
But it isn't :-(

It's a very good example to explain differnce beetween mocking and calling to hate.

Hey company, i know a polish, christian, who loved muslins, jews and all people on earth who didn't want to kill other ... His name? Jean-Paul II.
But perhaps are you as those people who are reading only few words in Coran: you don't want to read bigest idea extracted from the Bible?

According to the minutes of the May 9 meeting: “Several chairs (Argentina, Brazil, India, Russia, and Switzerland) lamented that the program has a missing element: it should have included debt restructuring and Private Sector Involvement (PSI) to avoid, according to the Brazilian ED, ‘a bailout of Greece’s private sector bondholders, mainly European financial institutions.’ The Argentine ED was very critical at the program, as it seems to replicate the mistakes (i.e., unsustainable fiscal tightening) made in the run up to the Argentina’s crisis of 2001.”

However, approval from US and most European directors mean accounted for more than half of the IMF’s voting shares and paved the way for the first Greek bailout, worth 110 billion euros, to be signed. It failed, and Greece needed a second, for 130 billion euros.

That has failed too and now there is growing talk a third will be needed along with Greece not paying its loans in full – except to the IMF, which has demanded full payment while endorsing a plan to let the country stiff the EU and ECB and let taxpayers in the other 16 Eurozone countries pick up the tab for generations of wild overspending by the Greeks.

- See more at: http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/10/08/secret-imf-report-shows-greek-bailout-worries/#sthash.KY9CpiJG.dpuf

thats is for your politics too who save the banks with yours - ours money

I don't because elections are coming and the Greeks have to make a choice, vote morally right or wrong.

mixing politics with morality is a great error in my advice.
Remember that the choice is:
-to repay a debt to those that spoil your country (remember for example that a lot of stealing were made by german companies that payed some thieve greek politician in order to steal from public money..)
-to end your citizens to starve (do you know that in Greece some middle class parents started taking their children to orphanotrofies in order to get them something to eat? do you find it moral?)
I really don't know what behaviour you can call more "moral"..

The politicians have to look at the results of their choices. The voters have to look at their interests. those who lend the money have to look carefully when, to who and why..

The Dutch banks have repaid all the money, just as they should because they borrowed it, it wasn't some gift.

to end your citizens to starve (do you know that in Greece some middle class parents started taking their children to orphanotrofies in order to get them something to eat? do you find it moral?)

You think the situation will be any better if no one will lend Greece money anymore because when they do it won't be repaid?

I really don't know what behaviour you can call more "moral"..

I already told you, to vote for thiefs this coming election.

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You think the situation will be any better if no one will lend Greece money anymore because when they do it won't be repaid?

they did it 2 years ago and still someone decide to borrow again..

Because they still use the Euro, you know that too.