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So you have all the elements you need for understanding that problem man...
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it's a fight you want to win
Why I'm always discussing the topic and you are always discussing about me?
Why I'm not calling you obsessive creep, Hypocrite troll etc?
Because I like easy winning maybe.. definitely!!!
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it's a fight you want to win
Why I'm always discussing the topic and you are always discussing about me?
Why I'm not calling you obsessive creep, Hypocrite troll etc?
Because I like easy winning maybe.. definitely!!!
:D
el pupe to Charles Hill
I won't tell anything more to you
Damn .......... liar, not talking to me, right??!! troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
You are even worse as the Belgium guy who is banned, the same kind of people.
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I won't tell anything more to you
Damn .......... liar, not talking to me, right??!! troll
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
You are even worse as the Belgium guy who is banned, the same kind of people.
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You are right there is one thing I want to say to you:
I'm sure you'll be able to convince some mod to close even this discussion.
I've learned a lot from you and sokker mods in freestyle. now I can predict not only EURSS implosion, but even a single topic closure!
LOL.
I'm sure you'll be able to convince some mod to close even this discussion.
I've learned a lot from you and sokker mods in freestyle. now I can predict not only EURSS implosion, but even a single topic closure!
LOL.
brave british escape from authoritarian undemocratic EU.
I wish more to follow and when we are ready for a democratic union to try in again...
I wish more to follow and when we are ready for a democratic union to try in again...
Yep, and that's exactly the reason why direct democracy is the dumbest thing to do.
You can't say that in general.
You can't say that in general.
Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result? Check out these 10 top self-comforting strategies.
1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.
2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.
3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.
4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.
5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.
6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.
7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.
8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.
9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.
10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".
1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.
2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.
3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.
4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.
5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.
6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.
7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.
8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.
9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.
10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".
It is for a democratic problem first.
EU CAN'T BE democratic, not for bad will or wrong politician, but for structural, political, economic, demografic, geografical, legal and cultural reasons.
There will never (*) be a democratic EU without producing enormous damages to the people.
And if you think about EU project comes since the start from elites and "founding fathers" but never from a bottom request.
(*) never means not in 30-50 years from now (and without wars) .
100% Democratic doesn't exist,
No country is democratic , In Belgium i have to vote for a party that i support for 60-70%
They have idea's that i support but some others i don't.
In EU i think it's much more difficult to be democratic because it's just to big.
Btw there are really a lot of dumb people , who listen to the guy who gets the best one-liners. but those people don't think further .
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In second order there are monetary and economic reasons (that are only a consequence of the democratic problem, once EU started to run without a positive relation to the people's will... then it became an horse rided by big banks and lobbies, those lobbies projected and imposed the politics they prefer :euro coin, the balance rules etc without any kind of political responsability, the problem is not only you can't vote for or against Merkel.. but that you can't vote for deutsche bank CEO that gives the line..).
They monetary problems i agree on,
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At the last position I have a problem with its no-sense in order of goals (both types: real and declared).
The effects of this are for example seen in migration (internal migration and external immigration) regulation of cost and benefits.. or in the regulation of markets (see banks recent rules) and products (size and curvature of bananas WTF?!?!).
Globalisation is just unstoppable , with the internet easy transport, so EU have to protects his goods, britains gonna do this also.
Do you have a problem with the syrians and other refugees coming here ?
People are forgetting the world wars , the whole of europe was a refugees.
I don't have the problem them coming here and have to pay something for it.
But the organisation of it is terrible,
I heared it is the biggest reason of the brexit (don't know if it's true)
But if that is the biggest reason of the brexit it's just ridiculous , i hope EU stop controlling the border of the channel and organize a free ferry to let the refugees wanting to go to britain stay on theire island.
There will always be a way to get in britain illegaly.
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EU CAN'T BE democratic, not for bad will or wrong politician, but for structural, political, economic, demografic, geografical, legal and cultural reasons.
There will never (*) be a democratic EU without producing enormous damages to the people.
And if you think about EU project comes since the start from elites and "founding fathers" but never from a bottom request.
(*) never means not in 30-50 years from now (and without wars) .
100% Democratic doesn't exist,
No country is democratic , In Belgium i have to vote for a party that i support for 60-70%
They have idea's that i support but some others i don't.
In EU i think it's much more difficult to be democratic because it's just to big.
Btw there are really a lot of dumb people , who listen to the guy who gets the best one-liners. but those people don't think further .
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In second order there are monetary and economic reasons (that are only a consequence of the democratic problem, once EU started to run without a positive relation to the people's will... then it became an horse rided by big banks and lobbies, those lobbies projected and imposed the politics they prefer :euro coin, the balance rules etc without any kind of political responsability, the problem is not only you can't vote for or against Merkel.. but that you can't vote for deutsche bank CEO that gives the line..).
They monetary problems i agree on,
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At the last position I have a problem with its no-sense in order of goals (both types: real and declared).
The effects of this are for example seen in migration (internal migration and external immigration) regulation of cost and benefits.. or in the regulation of markets (see banks recent rules) and products (size and curvature of bananas WTF?!?!).
Globalisation is just unstoppable , with the internet easy transport, so EU have to protects his goods, britains gonna do this also.
Do you have a problem with the syrians and other refugees coming here ?
People are forgetting the world wars , the whole of europe was a refugees.
I don't have the problem them coming here and have to pay something for it.
But the organisation of it is terrible,
I heared it is the biggest reason of the brexit (don't know if it's true)
But if that is the biggest reason of the brexit it's just ridiculous , i hope EU stop controlling the border of the channel and organize a free ferry to let the refugees wanting to go to britain stay on theire island.
There will always be a way to get in britain illegaly.
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8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.
Tell me this cover isn't funny, nobody made him go up there.. ;-p
I am sweating more than slightly, it was over 30'c in Warsaw today,,.
I wouldn't mind if he was nominated by the conservatives, he is quite funny ;-p
- why politics shouldn't be fun, since we pay for it.
Still is possible that Labour will win the next elections... that would make Jeremy Corbyn the most likely candidate. It might be a tight race similar to the Trump vs Sanders, booha! but British. Leader_of_the_Opposition_(United_Kingdom) - previous last leaders of the opposition, when gov. changed from one the other major party: Thatcher, Blair, Cameron. Current: Corbyn.
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Tell me this cover isn't funny, nobody made him go up there.. ;-p
I am sweating more than slightly, it was over 30'c in Warsaw today,,.
I wouldn't mind if he was nominated by the conservatives, he is quite funny ;-p
- why politics shouldn't be fun, since we pay for it.
Still is possible that Labour will win the next elections... that would make Jeremy Corbyn the most likely candidate. It might be a tight race similar to the Trump vs Sanders, booha! but British. Leader_of_the_Opposition_(United_Kingdom) - previous last leaders of the opposition, when gov. changed from one the other major party: Thatcher, Blair, Cameron. Current: Corbyn.
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100% Democratic doesn't exist,
But 0% does. You have to choose the best, not ignore the problem!
there is a great number of studies that show how the bigger is the organization the less it's democratic.
There are a lot of other studies that inspect the fact that too little organization can't afford efficent structure.
Both arrive at the same conclusion : national states.
Why?
because of language, culture, industrial structure, institutions etc etc are already omogeneus.
Another demonstration of it, if we look at USA, China or Russia (very big and dihomogenous "states") we find always lack of democracy and representation!
But 0% does. You have to choose the best, not ignore the problem!
there is a great number of studies that show how the bigger is the organization the less it's democratic.
There are a lot of other studies that inspect the fact that too little organization can't afford efficent structure.
Both arrive at the same conclusion : national states.
Why?
because of language, culture, industrial structure, institutions etc etc are already omogeneus.
Another demonstration of it, if we look at USA, China or Russia (very big and dihomogenous "states") we find always lack of democracy and representation!
I heared it is the biggest reason of the brexit (don't know if it's true)
But if that is the biggest reason of the brexit it's just ridiculous , i hope EU stop controlling the border of the channel and organize a free ferry to let the refugees wanting to go to britain stay on theire island.
There will always be a way to get in britain illegaly.
The point is, does a state need to get ruled by bruxelles for it?
One could answer that this could be needed to organize better it all.. but facts shows us the perfect contrary (F.e. the libyan invasion is a very clear example of how much EU is coordinated and careful versus people and countries), with prices and advantages distrubuted only with power logics (look at greece costs in syrian exodus and compare them with sverige or germany, are that a EU border or a greek one? one answer is impossible..).
On the other side, the truth is, the more immigrants come in a country the lower salary low skilled workers will get. That's demand-offer, and until '60 it was the major point of adversity for the european left parties (comunist, socialist and socialdemocrats) versus European unification projects.
Mobility of human means emigration of skilled workers inside the EU (advantage for the richer countries that attrack them) and immigration of unskilled from/to everywhere (disavantage for everywhere workers -> pay attention, not for companies.. only workers)
So I can't blame a wroking class english man, if he thinks to regain some control over this politics with its national vote. I can't blame him if he thinks he can't control people like Juncker :
2012: "We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."
But if that is the biggest reason of the brexit it's just ridiculous , i hope EU stop controlling the border of the channel and organize a free ferry to let the refugees wanting to go to britain stay on theire island.
There will always be a way to get in britain illegaly.
The point is, does a state need to get ruled by bruxelles for it?
One could answer that this could be needed to organize better it all.. but facts shows us the perfect contrary (F.e. the libyan invasion is a very clear example of how much EU is coordinated and careful versus people and countries), with prices and advantages distrubuted only with power logics (look at greece costs in syrian exodus and compare them with sverige or germany, are that a EU border or a greek one? one answer is impossible..).
On the other side, the truth is, the more immigrants come in a country the lower salary low skilled workers will get. That's demand-offer, and until '60 it was the major point of adversity for the european left parties (comunist, socialist and socialdemocrats) versus European unification projects.
Mobility of human means emigration of skilled workers inside the EU (advantage for the richer countries that attrack them) and immigration of unskilled from/to everywhere (disavantage for everywhere workers -> pay attention, not for companies.. only workers)
So I can't blame a wroking class english man, if he thinks to regain some control over this politics with its national vote. I can't blame him if he thinks he can't control people like Juncker :
2012: "We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."
you didnt even see the movie man
and is all true and easy to find out...
To begin with, the part about regulation is verifiable bulls**t
(you can jump to ~4:20)
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and is all true and easy to find out...
To begin with, the part about regulation is verifiable bulls**t
(you can jump to ~4:20)
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The Pound will start to strengthen against the euro in coming weeks the fall was just the shock to an over hyped market.
as you can see the pound is trying to find a new a support vs the USD while the EURO has hit a brick wall vs the pound which shows a imminent pull back in the process.
The currency i believe that will feel the biggest negative impact from this announcement is the euro with much uncertainty over the horizon if the ECB doesn't intervene it will fall like a brick in a fresh water pond.
i also suggest investing in a sell on the USD/JPY
with much uncertainty on the global market i believe investors will seek to find a safe haven in the yen as they have always done limiting the crocked BOJ in the amount of intervening it can do on the market.
Yours truly, Jeezy166
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as you can see the pound is trying to find a new a support vs the USD while the EURO has hit a brick wall vs the pound which shows a imminent pull back in the process.
The currency i believe that will feel the biggest negative impact from this announcement is the euro with much uncertainty over the horizon if the ECB doesn't intervene it will fall like a brick in a fresh water pond.
i also suggest investing in a sell on the USD/JPY
with much uncertainty on the global market i believe investors will seek to find a safe haven in the yen as they have always done limiting the crocked BOJ in the amount of intervening it can do on the market.
Yours truly, Jeezy166
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everything is linked to the most important resource of the people, you know what it is, but you lie yourselves, so many words, for a truth so simple