Asunto: Season 67

This is my point: one example. I am sure you can find a few more. But only a few. So, it's not that easy.

Again, in my system you train the youths in Div 2, then you go up while your trainees are ALREADY first team players so they have to get 97-100% training, it's not even a choice. And you keep playing them in Div 1 because they are good enough.

It gets tricky LATER in the 2nd phase, when you finish training your first batch when they are 27 already (imo no point in further training other than TOP TOP stars, that's 1-1.5 skills improvement a season, hardly worth it...). Then either you start creating a new full batch for yourself or train for profit and yes, then it is a bit of a problem to connect playing in Div 1 for trophy (IF they level is high) and 96%+ training of youngsters.

But that's a choice for later and we are talking about the route to that choice, the first phase. Buying 16yos and giving them 97-100% training and creating a strong team out of them is the best way to go.

This is my point: one example. I am sure you can find a few more. But only a few. So, it's not that easy.

Not many people come back, but those that knew how to play and came back have great results.
And there are numerous examples of users who joined after 2020 and got rich. But that's not what I'm talking about, I'm talking about building a team.

And it's not only easy, it's just math + a small factor of luck (injuries, talent). If you follow certain principles you have to get the same/similar result.

List of teams playing for 70+ in Poland that joined after 2018

Zabujcze Strzały [joined in 2020, playing for 76-78]
QTS Zeszło
Pędzący Ślimaki 2 [joined in 2022, playing for 74]
Wisła Stoki
Bobas
Hellboy's
Boscy Futbolowcy [joined 2020]
Pszczoły Kosakowo
Struga Jastrzębie [joined 2021]
FC Investors [joined 2020]
Green Army [joined 2020]
słonie
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But is he training 10 players 96% each week 13 weeks a season.... then he Will probably not win title.... cause training 23-28 means and having older players means you need intake of money..

Can polish top 3 train 16-19 yo 96%? Can they Even avoid relegation if they train young players the last 11%... and you need you either need a bankroll or train 85% on many players.... you lose money training Even on 25-28 yo... or if you keep them as you say you will lose all the value

Im just saying in England... you should be able to Even be in top 3 while training if trying hard enough and train still and stay there
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Did you read what I wrote? This part is the answer for your post:

"Again, in my system you train the youths in Div 2, then you go up while your trainees are ALREADY first team players so they have to get 97-100% training, it's not even a choice. And you keep playing them in Div 1 because they are good enough.

It gets tricky LATER in the 2nd phase, when you finish training your first batch when they are 27 already (imo no point in further training other than TOP TOP stars, that's 1-1.5 skills improvement a season, hardly worth it...). Then either you start creating a new full batch for yourself or train for profit and yes, then it is a bit of a problem to connect playing in Div 1 for trophy (IF they level is high) and 96%+ training of youngsters.

But that's a choice for later and we are talking about the route to that choice, the first phase. Buying 16yos and giving them 97-100% training and creating a strong team out of them is the best way to go."

They don't need to win the league now, in fact - they shouldn't win their Div 2 now and go to Div 1. They should be in the upper half of Div 2 and concentrate on training and then move up when their trainees reach level of ~half of Div 1. So they get promoted and then with every season go to higher level in Div 1 & since 26-27 they start going for the title.

you should be able to Even be in top 3 while training if trying hard enough and train still

yes you should, but what does it have to do with what we're writing about and my plan?
We are writing about teams with low average rating and low budgets, you expect them to do what exactly, magically turn into title contenders and great youth trainers in one day?

In the around 60? Seasons youve been here... how many Seasons you played above 72 avg Season..... and how long time you spend money training... I know you Are Two times polish champion, and its huge.... but very few teams stay in ekstraklasa for long time... that you know....

But what has Ekstraklasa and 12 teams playing for 75-85 have to do with England? I don't understand what you want to say here. You don't need to go down in England to make money, you just need to make any money in the first place.

No I also claimed in the beginning of the debate that you dont invest in 1st team before you have full good trainees....

Im also advicing my son who started a week ago to train 3 seasons, sell, better talents around 3-4 times before he can start keeping them Longer..

I was talking about long run.... your so mentioned part two

I would concentrate on part one and then everyone will be able to figure out the part two by himself and his preferences. Part one is the hard part here :)

Part two is the hard part...

And the conversation started on ella saying we were wild traders and I then I explained my way and you explained your way.... then you claimed why settle with 85% to me, and then I explained I had to sometimes and top 3 or maybe Even top 6 here has to also...

Do I Also have to read it loud

YOU had to sometimes because you play for titles. Again, we are talking about people playing in Div II who play against teams with rating mostly between 48-57 and are NOT SUPPOSED to play for titles. There's no point in them training for only 85%, it wouldn't make sense.

You keep talking what they should do when they start playing for 70+, I'm talking what they should do to get to playing for 70+.
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No ella were talking about you and me suggesting wild trading and then we explained our methods
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I dont keep suggesting it. I said it once that its what i was doing for past 40 seasons then we had a too long two way conversation about it.... part one shouldnt take more then around 8-10 seasons... and if you already can sell or have Cash Even shorter time with trainees before they get better then what you can buy

So just as some further info on how much money you can actually make just on one player...

Samuel Amaral [38920802] - bought for 25 000, sold for 10 250 000 euro

Bought as 16yo:
7 pace 5 defender
4 tech 1 playmaker
0 passing

Sold as 21yo:
16 pace 15 defender
8 tech 6 playmaker
6 passing

Kris Fisher [38895139] - bought for 400 000, sold for 8 500 000 euro

Bought as 16yo:
1 pace 0 defender
6 tech 4 playmaker
5 passing

Sold as 21yo:
14 pace 5 defender
13 tech 10 playmaker
12 pass

Nelu Bucilă [38696980] - bought for 400 000, sold for 22 000 000 euro

Bought as 16yo:
3 pace 4 defender
3 tech 1 playmaker
2 pass 5 striker

Sold as 23yo:
16 pace 10 defender
16 tech 9 playmaker
9 pass 16 striker

Jean-Jacques Moerman [38722435] - bought for 75 000, sold for 16 000 000

Bought as 16yo:
5 pace 5 defender
1 tech 4 playmaker
3 pass

Sold as 22yo:
17 pace 16 defender
10 tech 10 playmaker
9 pass

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That's the whole beauty of this game. You don't need to be rich to make money or CREATE great players.

That is correct

That's the most fun part about the game imo, if you are lucky and know what you are doing, you can make a gem out of a very cheap/reasonably priced player.

At the same time you can pay millions and then not make any profit or make a small profit over the seasons [small in comparison to a player bought for much less, both % and nominal value-wise].

For example I was planning to buy top youths, train them for 10 seasons and try to win something with them (I lost the motivation after a couple of seasons because the game didn't improve as promised).

Still, I paid a lot of money for those trainees and didn't make THAT much money considering how long I trained them.

Nijaz Tanasilović [38455794] - paid 12m euro, sold for 20m euro after 16 months
Witold Kiljan [38443356] - paid 12.5m euro, sold for 15m euro after 13 months
Leonard Chryplewski [38508199] - paid 15m euro, sold for 25m euro after 13 months [special case, amazing talent, best MID in his age group]
Pedro Antonio Nuevo [38681700] - paid 16m euro, sold for 20m euro after 18 months
Edvar Ruivo [38440530] - paid 10m euro, now ATT 18-17-16 [17 this week] after 24 months, will probably sell for a bit more than 15m euro

Did I make profit? Yes, between 2.5m euro, 5m euro and 10m euro in 12-14 months mostly.

At the same time...

Eusebius Brunmayr [38919427] - paid 700k, sold for 4.5m euro, 3.8m euro profit in 2 months
Dimitris Sfouggaras [39012422] - paid 2.5m euro, sold for 17.5m euro, 15m euro profit in 4 months
Octav Maftei [39167796], Wiesław Sielczak [39161505] - 2.5m euro profit on each after 4 months of training
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