Asunto: Season 69

Please, read my posts properly. I don't dispute the technical side of the game's software. It's there, I can see it, everyone can see it. But, for once, try to understand what I am actually saying. The game is crap as long as a 36 year old is the fastest and the most powerful on the pitch. And it's not the odd exception, there's thousands of these players in sokker. It's not natural, it's unfair, it's damaging for the entertainment we all look for when we play sokker.

You have some good points, but you make so many assumptions and generalisations...

There are way too many managers that don't even bother to check their players on Thursday morning.

and they should be in the lowest leagues, because others - more active - should easily be out of their reach, even with old players

that's the real problem, only a couple of decent teams in whole country, not enough active users, some active teams not knowing how to improve over seasons etc.

in Poland or other strong countries if you rely on sponsors/tickets and buying old players you stay in low leagues and nobody cares about those semi-bots - they just exist and don't bother anyone

In my opinion, sokker have allowed players to go way to high in their skills.

too many high skilled players - yes, but mostly because it made the game too boring and simple, it was much more fun in the beginning when there were no 3x 18 or even 3x 16 ATTs, but more diverse ATTs (like 13 pace 13 tech 16 striker or 15 pace 15 tech 13 striker) so it made sense to analyse opponents etc. now it's pointless, at high level everyone has almost the same players, just some are 5x 17 and others 5x 16, barely any difference.

And what's more insulting, to keep those skills until they almost turn 40

that's not true, they don't keep their skills till 40, far from that
you can lose 2 skills in one update [for example -2 in tech], or get two downgrades week after week
it is random though as most things in this game, so you can get -6 in one skill while another won't even budge once
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Please, read my posts properly. I don't dispute the technical side of the game's software. It's there, I can see it, everyone can see it. But, for once, try to understand what I am actually saying. The game is crap as long as a 36 year old is the fastest and the most powerful on the pitch. And it's not the odd exception, there's thousands of these players in sokker. It's not natural, it's unfair, it's damaging for the entertainment we all look for when we play sokker.

I'm reading them properly, I just wanted to point out that you are wrong in that paragraph because experience doesn't make players better, so 3x 15 23yo ATT will be as good as a 3x 15 30yo, there will be no difference between them

And if a 36yo is the fastest on the pitch, then it's also because the level of players in this game is very low - and it's not really weird, if you'd put a 36yo Rooney to a low level league he would still demolish every team

There are still 38-39yo players getting regular minutes at Premier League level, like Ashley Young, Vardy or Fabianski...

and again my point: in strong countries (and England should be a strong country) you don't see teams made up of 36yo players bought for peanuts at higher levels, those teams are at the bottom... sometimes there are older teams in higher leagues but it's usually because they were trained from ground up and just aged at the team, or the team is just trying to keep afloat at high level while not having enough funds (pointless imo, but to each their own)

ps. I'm not having a go at you guys (some teams in England are doing really good), my point is that you just need more active, capable managers, to fill at least 1st and 2nd tier with decent, well built teams, that's the real problem here, not some inactive users using shitty old players...
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You're almost there. You almost understood what I'm trying to say. You can't help not to defend this old player thing though.
But the main point is that the game is losing its charm by allowing this super players to develop to some monstrous levels. Tactically (the thing that it supposed to make the difference compared to other similar games) there's little you can do against such teams with 3 or 4 such players. Like you said, it's becoming "pointless".
As for Rooney at 36, it's not quite the case. My defenders are divine and in their 20's. Yet, they're still not good enough to stop some 35 years old winger or striker. And again, how many Rooney's are in sokker? If these old players would play like examples you gave (Ashley Young), it'd make sense. But when they play like Messi and there's hundreds of them, it doesn't.
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Most of the players I have like that I trained and until late 20's and then kept, I spent a lot of money early on coach wise and eventually after refreshing trainees and making profit and increasing the quality of my non trained players I had the squad I wanted to challenge for the title. My squad like others will be on the slide, and the money I used to have through the game changes is gone. Once this squad finishes I will likely have to reset on a fairly big level.

However I will say this, while you probably think my squad was good in the Champs League there were teams hitting 85 and they had monster players, those monster players are fewer than you'd think. There is a big difference though, I am talking players at 5 x divine or some super divine skills too. I never had that.

In part the issue with over 30 players, is the rate of skill decline. I don't believe it's been adjusted for the shorter seasons and those older players are now clinging on for longer than they used to. My oldest player last season at the age of 36 had just 1 skill drop. I know he would have gone down sub levels in other skills but still, would have expected that to be a bit quicker (he's dropped 1 skill so far this season).

When did the new training system occur? was it the same time as 12 teams , so 12 seasons ago, or newer, if 12 seasons Tomori = would be 30, that 30yo would then be not as good as Tomori aged 36+ for a couple of reasons.

* Or is it FT holds them more now with higher training level?
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Yup, exactly. Players from new training system are already weaker, so the "next" 36yos will also be worse than current ones.

We're at the moment at a peculiar moment when 26-30yo players are from new system (and weaker) while 32+ are still from the old system (and better), it will gradually normalise in next seasons though.

Thanks for saying what I just said earlier. You're one of the many users that sat on a team for many seasons and will reset. You see it in many other (mostly) top leagues in the world, there's a team that sold all players and loses every game 5-0 or more if they decided to play some 16 years old. If the old players would've decreased (by the way, as they say in the game rules book) and not play like they're world class, (maybe) you would've already introduced some younger players in and the transition would've been smoother.
Because, this is what this game is supposed to be about, building winning tactics and training players. Instead, we're playing some stock market trading simulation and racing towards some extreme ratings. Some might say it's fun. I'm not some.

So, wait... How is this fair in any way?

Not to mention that you guys are only speculating. You don't know for sure.
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We don't know what for sure and what is not fair...?

It's just logical/mathematical.

In previous system you were able to train better players because the seasons were longer - they came out younger from youth school and they had more trainings every season. So they were simply able to get more training points and thus get better skills. Those players are now 30+.

The under 30 players are from new system - they came out of youth school older/later in the season, they got less training points over the seasons, they became worse players than they would in old system.

It's easy to see especially in National Teams, where the quality of players dropped a bit from previous generation of players. For example in top 5 of Polish midfielders there are two 34yo players - didn't happen before and the reason is that they were just better at 28-31 than the new generation, so even after losing some skills, they are still at similar level to the younger ones.

It doesn't really matter though at this point, since in a couple of seasons all players will be from the new system.

If the old players would've decreased (by the way, as they say in the game rules book) and not play like they're world class, (maybe) you would've already introduced some younger players in and the transition would've been smoother.

It doesn't really work this way.

He wouldn't have enough funds to buy the new generation of good young players + he wouldn't have the space to train them properly (he'd have to sacrifice the national cup and to some extent risk results in league to give them at least 96% training).

Young players would still be much worse than aging [30-33yo] players.

That's the general cycle of this game, you start with money & young players, you train them, get better, at one point you play for results, then you try to squeeze as much as you can out of your players who got older & support yourself with as much money as you were able to save up to that point.

Then your team gets too old and too weak to compete, you sell it, you get much much less than you invested at the start XX seasons ago, you try to create a new budget by training & then get a new bunch of youngsters to start the cycle again.

That's how it works in bigger/biggest leagues. In small, weak leagues [with 10-20 users in country] you don't need that, as you can easily train & make money or train & create a new generation without problems during your cup or league games, because your team even in transition is much better than most other teams.
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That not 'how it works'. That's how you see it working. Again, you're just speculating. Somehow you agree that the game is losing its magic by having so many pointless games.
In my opinion the game should've been developed in a way that teams with average rating over 70 to be an exception. Same for the players. And the real fun to be building tactics and training, not buying players in their 30's that still have an average rating of 80 and it's impossible to play against. It ruins the game not just for users but for NT coaches too.
That's just my opinion.
I played the game since the start without any 30+ years in my squad and I will continue to do so. I will keep fooling myself that I'm having fun. Probably I will relegate this season and I might get some more fun playing in a more genuine competition in Division 2.

You're right I have done that (sat on my team), mainly due to lack of time more than anything else as I had a lot of work and a total rebuild of my house. ;)

Without the time I simply have not been around when players have sold that I would ordinarily have tried to buy. I am still proud of what I achieved as that was done through strategical buying and training for many seasons to get to this stage.

And I don't blame you. This is what the game allowed you and you got the most out of it. I don't have a problem with you or others doing this. I have a problem with the way this game has been developed.

Apart from lack of time and the above....the other thing I had been waiting for is my own youths because of the change in training, the fact my last good youth was Freedman and he is 23 now has really made it difficult to change things up. In the past I had Miller (correct striker) that I could not change and brought back once the change in training system was implemented. So no good youths in 5/6 seasons has really hurt me, and the ability to change things around. Thats another big part of why I kept training older players already here. I also trained older English trainees here to help the NT, I will continue to train the 24 yr old defender I have to aid England.