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Asunto: Training Philosophy / Efficiency Chart
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I just worked something up that has been in my head for a long while, but I thought some in the community could benefit from it.
The following is a list of training efficiencies and projections for youth development. The baseline for this is that you are starting with 17 year olds. Yes, I know 16 year olds are a thing. There's also 17 year olds picked up late in the season. Starting with week 1 of age 17 seemed the best compromise to factor these two in.
This baseline involves 8 full seasons of training: 17 to 25. This is important to note.
Why these data points?
Because Sokker Assiente loses predictive accuracy starting in age 26. As an example, I've discovered that predictive training at age 26 is around 15-16% higher than the data suggests. Age 27 lis around 22-23% higher.
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There are 1287 training points in a season (using unearthly training, you get 99 points gain per 100). 8 seasons this amounts to 10,296 points of training.
85% training (friendly only) = 1094 training. You miss 193 training points a season (the equivalent of 2 extra trainings!), or 16 training sessions over the 8 seasons .
90% training (10 minutes league) = 1158 training. You miss 128 training points, or 10-11 training sessions over the 8 seasons.
92.8% training (15 minutes league) = 1194 training. You miss 93 training points (essentially, a training session) a season.
95% training (20 minutes league) = 1223 training. You miss 64 training points, or about 5 training sessions over the 8 seasons.
96.6% training (25 minutes league) = 1243 training. You miss 44 training points, or about 3.5 training sessions over the 8 seasons.
After this, the difference in training is miniscule. I would not advise anyone to do more than this just for the sake of training.
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The only additional thing to consider is this:
Since younger trainees train more efficiently, it matters more to them to get good training early on. As many I'm sure have noted, this is directly a tradeoff between potentially winning a league and not.
You just need to look at most of my league team scores (59-63 range), versus arcade matches (where I consistently score in the upper 60s now), to see how much this matters.
Where talent matters is how many possible skills you would lose over a lifetime of training by, say, using only 85% training the entire time vs 95%.
edit: Here is a link to the training calculator I used: https://geston.smallhost.pl/sokker/training.html
I hope this will be helpful to someone.
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The following is a list of training efficiencies and projections for youth development. The baseline for this is that you are starting with 17 year olds. Yes, I know 16 year olds are a thing. There's also 17 year olds picked up late in the season. Starting with week 1 of age 17 seemed the best compromise to factor these two in.
This baseline involves 8 full seasons of training: 17 to 25. This is important to note.
Why these data points?
Because Sokker Assiente loses predictive accuracy starting in age 26. As an example, I've discovered that predictive training at age 26 is around 15-16% higher than the data suggests. Age 27 lis around 22-23% higher.
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There are 1287 training points in a season (using unearthly training, you get 99 points gain per 100). 8 seasons this amounts to 10,296 points of training.
85% training (friendly only) = 1094 training. You miss 193 training points a season (the equivalent of 2 extra trainings!), or 16 training sessions over the 8 seasons .
90% training (10 minutes league) = 1158 training. You miss 128 training points, or 10-11 training sessions over the 8 seasons.
92.8% training (15 minutes league) = 1194 training. You miss 93 training points (essentially, a training session) a season.
95% training (20 minutes league) = 1223 training. You miss 64 training points, or about 5 training sessions over the 8 seasons.
96.6% training (25 minutes league) = 1243 training. You miss 44 training points, or about 3.5 training sessions over the 8 seasons.
After this, the difference in training is miniscule. I would not advise anyone to do more than this just for the sake of training.
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The only additional thing to consider is this:
Since younger trainees train more efficiently, it matters more to them to get good training early on. As many I'm sure have noted, this is directly a tradeoff between potentially winning a league and not.
You just need to look at most of my league team scores (59-63 range), versus arcade matches (where I consistently score in the upper 60s now), to see how much this matters.
Where talent matters is how many possible skills you would lose over a lifetime of training by, say, using only 85% training the entire time vs 95%.
edit: Here is a link to the training calculator I used: https://geston.smallhost.pl/sokker/training.html
I hope this will be helpful to someone.
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Good post. It's also worth considering injury risk. Sure you can gait 3.5 more weeks of training but is it worth the injury risk? Will you lose at least 3.5 weeks additional of training due to playing more matches seeking 100% efficiency?
Also how much do field conditions contribute to injury risk?
Also how much do field conditions contribute to injury risk?
Field conditions make a real contribution to risk in injuries. It's why I am scared to death of the first rounds of the cup because not only are their fields trash, but their players are trash as well, which leads to lower quality tackles.
In general though, it is my opinion that it is pretty pointless to go past 25 minutes in a league game. Every minute you go beyond this gives you not even a tenth of a percent added training. Typically I would do do 25 minutes - and set sub condition to 22 minutes, but lately I've dropped it to 20. I now set my orders for the start of the game at 18', because as you know, you need a stoppage for it to happen. One game against Blue last season I didn't get a stoppage until around minute 34. That was stressful AF.
If it actually happens at 18-19 minutes, it's still 94%.
Of course, if your trainees are 21-23 it's less risky, but right now I've got a whole litter of new kids training now.
And yes, I know I'm weird that I play my kids first. Very soccer unconventional. However, playing kids at the end of games seems just as self defeating. What happens if you're losing?
In actual soccer, substitutions are made for similar quality players. That makes sense.
In general though, it is my opinion that it is pretty pointless to go past 25 minutes in a league game. Every minute you go beyond this gives you not even a tenth of a percent added training. Typically I would do do 25 minutes - and set sub condition to 22 minutes, but lately I've dropped it to 20. I now set my orders for the start of the game at 18', because as you know, you need a stoppage for it to happen. One game against Blue last season I didn't get a stoppage until around minute 34. That was stressful AF.
If it actually happens at 18-19 minutes, it's still 94%.
Of course, if your trainees are 21-23 it's less risky, but right now I've got a whole litter of new kids training now.
And yes, I know I'm weird that I play my kids first. Very soccer unconventional. However, playing kids at the end of games seems just as self defeating. What happens if you're losing?
In actual soccer, substitutions are made for similar quality players. That makes sense.
same here, both last season and this season catching injuries at low quality pitches. I hope we get more users in US
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