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Sammy needs more training and it will help him grow. He's getting short on time since already is 24yo, so it'll be harder to train him later. We lack U27 defenders, there are: Bailey, Collina, Selling and Worthy, all of them will get as many chances as possible to get that extra training points from the NT matches.
As it comes to McPharlin and Bailey whom you've mentioned, they are not as complete as other players. McPharlin is low on pass, Bailey on tech and pm. They would not fit too well in my tactics on that game, where there was a pretty huge gap between defenders and mids and I needed the highest possible levels of pass and pm to transport the ball from the defenders straight to the atts.
As it comes to McPharlin and Bailey whom you've mentioned, they are not as complete as other players. McPharlin is low on pass, Bailey on tech and pm. They would not fit too well in my tactics on that game, where there was a pretty huge gap between defenders and mids and I needed the highest possible levels of pass and pm to transport the ball from the defenders straight to the atts.
Fair enough, I look forward to seeing how your tactics work, and how it fits in with our players skills :)
I didn't realise until I started watching the match, but Russia actually got their 21 shots (compared to our 6) with just 10 men on the park for 2/3 of the match.
The Russia tactic actually was pretty poor defensively as they grouped their central defenders way too much, allowing us to get through the line and have those 1v1.
However our defenders dropped back too far too early, allowing for easy shots (long range) when coming down the centre, or easy, pressure free crosses from the winger to the strikers, as despite having a back 5, the wing defender rarely engaged with the winger, meaning the winger only had to beat a midfielder to get a free run.
I think in the end, it was a battle of the worse defences, and Russia appeared to have got up quite comfortably given the shot and play in half count (although we did have a fair few 1v1 so did deserve a 2nd goal).
The only other thing I would probably change is it appeared like when we were throwing the ball in, our players often had noone to throw it to. I have seen many managers use this tactic in the past, and sometimes it works when right on the attacking line (as the player throws it over the throw in defender, to a player on the corner of the box, who then gets an easy pass in) but in the rest of the field of play, I rarely see it being successful, and have gained a lot of possession with the U21 side due to this tactic.
I think the best throw in tactician I have faced is actually our own cometer, although I'm not sure if he remembers how he used to do it back in the day, but he dominated the throw in, both in league matches and NT matches
The Russia tactic actually was pretty poor defensively as they grouped their central defenders way too much, allowing us to get through the line and have those 1v1.
However our defenders dropped back too far too early, allowing for easy shots (long range) when coming down the centre, or easy, pressure free crosses from the winger to the strikers, as despite having a back 5, the wing defender rarely engaged with the winger, meaning the winger only had to beat a midfielder to get a free run.
I think in the end, it was a battle of the worse defences, and Russia appeared to have got up quite comfortably given the shot and play in half count (although we did have a fair few 1v1 so did deserve a 2nd goal).
The only other thing I would probably change is it appeared like when we were throwing the ball in, our players often had noone to throw it to. I have seen many managers use this tactic in the past, and sometimes it works when right on the attacking line (as the player throws it over the throw in defender, to a player on the corner of the box, who then gets an easy pass in) but in the rest of the field of play, I rarely see it being successful, and have gained a lot of possession with the U21 side due to this tactic.
I think the best throw in tactician I have faced is actually our own cometer, although I'm not sure if he remembers how he used to do it back in the day, but he dominated the throw in, both in league matches and NT matches
Cheers for the details, I'm already worling on it.
There are still a few mistakes in the tactics page, sometimes the tactics get mixed up after saving them. That's all due to the changes and the flash replacement. I've checked it 3 times before it was all in order but in the game looked like the players got a little confused sometimes, especially the atts covered themselves and even Hammond joined them in a few situations. I didn't set them that close, that often.
Don't misunderstand me - I'm not explaining myself to blame the engine, it just looked different in my head and imagination. The tactics was for sure little weird and controversial but that was kind of my vision. I never said I can fit any schemes :)
It will get better, I'm here to share my experience.
There are still a few mistakes in the tactics page, sometimes the tactics get mixed up after saving them. That's all due to the changes and the flash replacement. I've checked it 3 times before it was all in order but in the game looked like the players got a little confused sometimes, especially the atts covered themselves and even Hammond joined them in a few situations. I didn't set them that close, that often.
Don't misunderstand me - I'm not explaining myself to blame the engine, it just looked different in my head and imagination. The tactics was for sure little weird and controversial but that was kind of my vision. I never said I can fit any schemes :)
It will get better, I'm here to share my experience.
Too evenly ranked teams (as good as same), but that wasn't close. Hate to be blunt, but that's the way I see it.
Can't see how Worthy gets in front of some others already mentioned, & the risk wasn't worth the reward...IMHO. If it's for training, do we even know how Worthy is being trained? I struggle to see the benefit being that great by pushing him in front of others, unless they are close.
Anyhow, live & learn, we hope. The beauty for me is my player doesn't play & stays away from injury (for now).
Good luck next game. :D
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Can't see how Worthy gets in front of some others already mentioned, & the risk wasn't worth the reward...IMHO. If it's for training, do we even know how Worthy is being trained? I struggle to see the benefit being that great by pushing him in front of others, unless they are close.
Anyhow, live & learn, we hope. The beauty for me is my player doesn't play & stays away from injury (for now).
Good luck next game. :D
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Haven't watched the game yet but sometimes you have to play with what you have and so a tactic generally is somewhat determined based on what you have available. So if our best defenders skill wise don't have the passing/pm required for a tactic, then that tactic probably shouldn't be considered. The exceptions are that if your next rank of defenders down have either
(a) way superior form
(b) not too big a difference in primary skills such that you can trade off primary skill for an abundance of secondary skill.
Whilst playing deep defenders can be a tactical masterpiece at times, it comes with significant risks. You basically give away territory and possession and allow opponent strikers to fire off long shots at goal. So if you go this route you really want to minimise how much more possession and what the opposition can do with that possession.
So:
Thought #1: You should only play deep defenders if the opponent has shallow placed strikers, have superior strikers to your defenders, completely dominates the midfield or presses you into your own half and you need extra space for your own midfield to work with.
Thought #2: Should you decide to play deep defenders, then you need to really work at ensuring that you look after the midfield. By playing deep, you give up territory and possession, so you need to ensure they can't do anything with that extra time and space. 1 centre midfield looking after the centre of the field won't cut it, and with 2 wing players, you will get beaten on the counter every time you start attacking.
Thought #3: When you have a 5 man back line deep, 2 strikers and 2 wing players with only 1 player in centre midfield is not what I'd consider a good strategy if playing defenders deep. I think if you play 5 defenders you are instantly giving up either a wing player or a striker, so that you can bolster the midfield (or else you need those defenders to fill gaps in the midfield). Having 5 players really deep and 4 players really deep the other direction leaves 1 player to cover half the field and that's easy pickings at NT level for opposition midfielders who just keep passing around and your solo midfielder is utterly hopeless to stop it.
Whilst also not really something that has to be said, the fact that Russia used a similar tactic, should have meant we should have exploited that ourselves. If they have 5 defenders deep, why play 2 wing players when they'll be tackled anyway? Had we had instead 3 or 4 midfielders centrally, suddenly the territory/possession swing and we should be able to shift their defense around until a gap opens up. Especially if they lost their only central midfielder to a red and didn't have any tactical orders. That's a get out of gaol free card right there that doesn't seem to have been taken.
Easy to say in hindsight. You mightn't have expected them to use such a tactic and so that part is understandable (that scissor/paper/rock scenario sometimes doesn't work for you). The rest though, in terms of leaving holes and space all over the place is something you'll need to think about going forward if you plan to go deep again.
To be fair, the same can be said about trying to press opposition too, so ensuring that your midfield work as your first line of defense in my book is critical. Doesn't mean they can't be used offensively though, it's just always a balancing act depending on what the opponent has and does themselves.
Good luck with the next match and always evaluate where you could do better and learn from it. Tactics are rarely perfect in their early iterations.
(a) way superior form
(b) not too big a difference in primary skills such that you can trade off primary skill for an abundance of secondary skill.
Whilst playing deep defenders can be a tactical masterpiece at times, it comes with significant risks. You basically give away territory and possession and allow opponent strikers to fire off long shots at goal. So if you go this route you really want to minimise how much more possession and what the opposition can do with that possession.
So:
Thought #1: You should only play deep defenders if the opponent has shallow placed strikers, have superior strikers to your defenders, completely dominates the midfield or presses you into your own half and you need extra space for your own midfield to work with.
Thought #2: Should you decide to play deep defenders, then you need to really work at ensuring that you look after the midfield. By playing deep, you give up territory and possession, so you need to ensure they can't do anything with that extra time and space. 1 centre midfield looking after the centre of the field won't cut it, and with 2 wing players, you will get beaten on the counter every time you start attacking.
Thought #3: When you have a 5 man back line deep, 2 strikers and 2 wing players with only 1 player in centre midfield is not what I'd consider a good strategy if playing defenders deep. I think if you play 5 defenders you are instantly giving up either a wing player or a striker, so that you can bolster the midfield (or else you need those defenders to fill gaps in the midfield). Having 5 players really deep and 4 players really deep the other direction leaves 1 player to cover half the field and that's easy pickings at NT level for opposition midfielders who just keep passing around and your solo midfielder is utterly hopeless to stop it.
Whilst also not really something that has to be said, the fact that Russia used a similar tactic, should have meant we should have exploited that ourselves. If they have 5 defenders deep, why play 2 wing players when they'll be tackled anyway? Had we had instead 3 or 4 midfielders centrally, suddenly the territory/possession swing and we should be able to shift their defense around until a gap opens up. Especially if they lost their only central midfielder to a red and didn't have any tactical orders. That's a get out of gaol free card right there that doesn't seem to have been taken.
Easy to say in hindsight. You mightn't have expected them to use such a tactic and so that part is understandable (that scissor/paper/rock scenario sometimes doesn't work for you). The rest though, in terms of leaving holes and space all over the place is something you'll need to think about going forward if you plan to go deep again.
To be fair, the same can be said about trying to press opposition too, so ensuring that your midfield work as your first line of defense in my book is critical. Doesn't mean they can't be used offensively though, it's just always a balancing act depending on what the opponent has and does themselves.
Good luck with the next match and always evaluate where you could do better and learn from it. Tactics are rarely perfect in their early iterations.
I think the best throw in tactician I have faced is actually our own cometer, although I'm not sure if he remembers how he used to do it back in the day, but he dominated the throw in, both in league matches and NT matches
I think I still do, though the difference is whether I have the motivation to care about them these days like I use to. Also not having plus like I did back then makes things a little trickier as it's harder to see what the opposition tends to stick to.
Throws for me were important because my aim generally was to stop the opposition having time on the ball and restricting what they could do when they had it, whilst the opposite was true when attacking. Also most people that make new tactics often build it on an existing tactic and so usually have a particular preference for positions and throws often weren't thought too much about, so you could get some good ground in that. Corners are the same.
The additional trick is realising how the tactic editor works from a defensive/offensive standpoint which could make placements easier, it's not actually as simple as the ball is in this area so I want my placements to be X. That's the part I'm still trying to retrain myself in at the moment because that's where precision can be found.
I think I still do, though the difference is whether I have the motivation to care about them these days like I use to. Also not having plus like I did back then makes things a little trickier as it's harder to see what the opposition tends to stick to.
Throws for me were important because my aim generally was to stop the opposition having time on the ball and restricting what they could do when they had it, whilst the opposite was true when attacking. Also most people that make new tactics often build it on an existing tactic and so usually have a particular preference for positions and throws often weren't thought too much about, so you could get some good ground in that. Corners are the same.
The additional trick is realising how the tactic editor works from a defensive/offensive standpoint which could make placements easier, it's not actually as simple as the ball is in this area so I want my placements to be X. That's the part I'm still trying to retrain myself in at the moment because that's where precision can be found.
Thank you for that. Truly an interesting lecture you've put out here. I'm sure I'll get deep into what you wrote and use that pieces of advice as I find it very useful.
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As far as I know, Sam is being trained in pace these weeks. Despite that, he also gets some pluses in general training, so I'm counting on a double pop (pace+def). No worries, as I wrote earlier, everyone will get their chance in the NT on an even level.
There's gonna be a chance for younger players to show what they got next week. We're taking on Singapore, so I'm gonna go offensive with U25/U26 team.
An info for all of you, due to what fantum wrote:
If you have any objections considering your players in the NT (e.g. want to avoid injury), let me know and we're gonna exclude them from the squad for the weeks of your choosing.
@fantum
As far as I know, Sam is being trained in pace these weeks. Despite that, he also gets some pluses in general training, so I'm counting on a double pop (pace+def). No worries, as I wrote earlier, everyone will get their chance in the NT on an even level.
There's gonna be a chance for younger players to show what they got next week. We're taking on Singapore, so I'm gonna go offensive with U25/U26 team.
An info for all of you, due to what fantum wrote:
If you have any objections considering your players in the NT (e.g. want to avoid injury), let me know and we're gonna exclude them from the squad for the weeks of your choosing.
GROUP STAGE
DATE 1 (week 10)
India vs Australia
Nippon vs Prathet Thai
DATE 2 (week 11)
India vs Nippon
Australia vs Prathet Thai
DATE 3 (week 12)
Prathet Thai vs India
Australia vs Nippon
Here are all the groups:
It wasn't an issue in the end as Bailey had cleared from SI on the day.....it was a concern up to Friday, but I'd then forgot to mention it. :)
We're all set to the face Singapore NT. I've worked on the tactics for some time and being optimistic about, it since all of the issues you pointed out earlier were taken into consideration.
The youngest suitable players will get their chance in that game, as our opponent is pretty low on the ratings.
I hope for a good game with no surprises!
The youngest suitable players will get their chance in that game, as our opponent is pretty low on the ratings.
I hope for a good game with no surprises!
Why play the youngest possible players? Put the best 11 on the park to ensure the win.
No worries, I meant the U26 team. It's a chance for them to get the additional training which will pace up their development.
Even with them, our ratings should be around 57-60, when Singapore can't even reach 50.
With a team like Singapore, the size of the win will not influence the rank.
So why put the 28+ players who will not gain any training and win 20:0, when the same outcome can be reached with youngsters who we're gonna need in a few seasons and win 5:0? :)
Even with them, our ratings should be around 57-60, when Singapore can't even reach 50.
With a team like Singapore, the size of the win will not influence the rank.
So why put the 28+ players who will not gain any training and win 20:0, when the same outcome can be reached with youngsters who we're gonna need in a few seasons and win 5:0? :)
I dont think at 26 the extra training from an NT match is more beneficial then simply going for the kill and put as many past as possible. Every chance you get to gain ranking points, the better it will ultimately be in the long term as it gets us into a better seed.
As I wrote earlier, it will not influence the rank, even if we go for a kill.
You might be surprised how much can a 26yo player be developed :)
It's not the 3rd or 4th squad, these are the players just are just knocking to the first squad. In 2-3 seasons they'll be core of the NT, as some most of the players from the squad is over 30.
I'm pasting the squad below to show you how it exactly looks. As you will be able to see, there are 3 players aged 26, one 25 and the rest is younger, so they're gonna derive benefit from that game a lot.
Plus, we've got a better chance of avoiding injury of our crucial one's, who will be needed the most.
Squad
1 Alex Farmer GK
2 Brodie Bailey DEF
3 Bradley Hoang DEF
4 Alexander Collina DEF
5 Greg Selling DEF
6 Luka Bracken MID
7 Lachlan Stathakis MID
8 Oliver Hill MID
9 Bodie Haugland MID
10 Evan Singleton ATT
11 Kyle Trappe ATT
12 Mike Newton GK
13 Dheran Last DEF
14 Dave Comley MID
15 Elliott Prince MID
16 Lucas Zane ATT
Set pieces
Free kick: not specified
Penalty kick: Kyle Trappe
Conditional orders
Min. Condition / Action
1' red card or no player
Oliver Hill on position 1
1' red card or no player
Bodie Haugland on position 6
1' red card or no player
Bodie Haugland on position 7
1' red card or no player
Bodie Haugland on position 8
60' always
Dheran Last on position 3
65' always
Lucas Zane on position 10
72' always
Elliott Prince on position 8
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You might be surprised how much can a 26yo player be developed :)
It's not the 3rd or 4th squad, these are the players just are just knocking to the first squad. In 2-3 seasons they'll be core of the NT, as some most of the players from the squad is over 30.
I'm pasting the squad below to show you how it exactly looks. As you will be able to see, there are 3 players aged 26, one 25 and the rest is younger, so they're gonna derive benefit from that game a lot.
Plus, we've got a better chance of avoiding injury of our crucial one's, who will be needed the most.
Squad
1 Alex Farmer GK
2 Brodie Bailey DEF
3 Bradley Hoang DEF
4 Alexander Collina DEF
5 Greg Selling DEF
6 Luka Bracken MID
7 Lachlan Stathakis MID
8 Oliver Hill MID
9 Bodie Haugland MID
10 Evan Singleton ATT
11 Kyle Trappe ATT
12 Mike Newton GK
13 Dheran Last DEF
14 Dave Comley MID
15 Elliott Prince MID
16 Lucas Zane ATT
Set pieces
Free kick: not specified
Penalty kick: Kyle Trappe
Conditional orders
Min. Condition / Action
1' red card or no player
Oliver Hill on position 1
1' red card or no player
Bodie Haugland on position 6
1' red card or no player
Bodie Haugland on position 7
1' red card or no player
Bodie Haugland on position 8
60' always
Dheran Last on position 3
65' always
Lucas Zane on position 10
72' always
Elliott Prince on position 8
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