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2nd clue modified a bit to hopefully make it clearer without giving it away, let me know if it still causes problems.
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Time for a 3rd clue I suppose. Hopefully this one results in a few correct answers being given :).
jkhtong1 [del] para
vivski
Oh, I knew I should have read the NT thread instead of just pressing "mark all as read"...
cometer> I hope you plan to explain all the clues afterwards ;)
cometer> I hope you plan to explain all the clues afterwards ;)
cometer> I hope you plan to explain all the clues afterwards ;)
I can do that after the round is completed.
I can do that after the round is completed.
4th clue is up now. A few people have already got the correct answer. Nobody has cracked the secret code yet though. Expecting a lot of answers on this one :).
No luck for me...
I guess I'll have to wait for the "can't believe you're such an idiot" 5th clue...
Edit: Mind you, I can tell you *a lot* about the NT and its players :P
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I guess I'll have to wait for the "can't believe you're such an idiot" 5th clue...
Edit: Mind you, I can tell you *a lot* about the NT and its players :P
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5th and final clue up now.
Might add since there's only a day left, that the biggest advice for the secret code if you're after the extra points is to get it out of the current format (i.e away from being letters) into another format. Should make it easier to notice, unless you find it easier in letter form (I know I don't).
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Might add since there's only a day left, that the biggest advice for the secret code if you're after the extra points is to get it out of the current format (i.e away from being letters) into another format. Should make it easier to notice, unless you find it easier in letter form (I know I don't).
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Last chance to earn points for this round. Only had 5 enter so far, would like to get a few more having a go. Anyway still a few rounds left but I'll give people until approximately 8:00 sktime to send in guesses to either the secret code or the main answer.
Ok round 1 is now officially closed. Still only got the 5 participants. Hopefully a few more will attempt one of the next few rounds.
The correct answer for this round was Kris Hirons. Will post up the key things you could have noticed to pick up the answer from the 5 clues, along with how to decode the secret code which nobody took a guess at.
Then I'll update the scores and start the 2nd round.
The correct answer for this round was Kris Hirons. Will post up the key things you could have noticed to pick up the answer from the 5 clues, along with how to decode the secret code which nobody took a guess at.
Then I'll update the scores and start the 2nd round.
1. I've been outstanding for my club and country and have been around for multiple years.
Key words that could have been picked up in this clue, should have narrowed the list down to a small handful of players, including the answer. What I was playing on strongly was the term "outstanding" and "multiple years". In the case of outstanding I was implying the level they were when they were pulled out of the youth school and then combined with multiple years, that meant they had to have been around since 2007 or earlier. From that you could use the youth thread to compile an initial list of players that it could be.
2. I have never played in a world cup but I have represented Australia in the 3 most commonly played squads that indicate player status. (Up at 6:57 2008-12-10)
Again, 2 key clues here, never playing in a world cup, that is any on field action in the 6 games we've played in world cups. The 3 most commonly played squads I was looking for were 1st XI,2nd XI & U21. Combining this with the list from 1, you probably should have been down to 2-3 players. Was probably guessable at this point because 1 had played a significantly larger amount of games, although you didn't have to risk it at this point.
3. I have been involved in a mixup substitution with the NT where the replacement coming on for me wasn't meant to have played. This hurt our chances of winning against a Southern Hemisphere opponent. (Up at 7:16 2008-12-11)
Mixup substitution was an incident which happened in one of the NT games under borkos' reign when he selected the wrong Byers as the substitute. I used Southern Hemisphere to prevent blurting out NZ which would have made the answer dead obvious, so it then required a little more work but if you had remembered the thread the mass discussion was in (page 85 in the NT thread) then you could have easily worked out the date of the match and discovered the player, or else work through your shortlist from the previous clues.
4. I have never lost a game when I've contributed to the NT with assists or scoring 2 or more goals. (Up at 7:10 2008-12-12)
This came about because I knew Hirons had a pretty decent record and anybody with an eye for detail will remember some discussion about how Hirons tends to have a good record for us, especially against NZ. Even without that though, you only had to work through your shortlist (<5 players, would be 1 if you worked out clue 3's meaning) to locate all games where they've either got an assist or scoring more than 2 goals. You did have to locate about 6-7 games of Hirons though because they weren't in the stats page due to the # of games played.
5. I have scored a hattrick for the NT on 5 occasions, had a 100% accuracy rate on my NT debut and have been located in an Australian club the entire time. (Up at 7:09 2008-12-13)
Dead give away to try and entice people to answer the question. By now you know it's likely to be a striker who's fairly well capped and in an Australian club the whole time.
Genuinely the first clue is to give you an initial list to work with to assist with eliminating possibilities. Doesn't always work out that way, although this case if you interpreted the first clue correctly you had a very small list to work with.
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Key words that could have been picked up in this clue, should have narrowed the list down to a small handful of players, including the answer. What I was playing on strongly was the term "outstanding" and "multiple years". In the case of outstanding I was implying the level they were when they were pulled out of the youth school and then combined with multiple years, that meant they had to have been around since 2007 or earlier. From that you could use the youth thread to compile an initial list of players that it could be.
2. I have never played in a world cup but I have represented Australia in the 3 most commonly played squads that indicate player status. (Up at 6:57 2008-12-10)
Again, 2 key clues here, never playing in a world cup, that is any on field action in the 6 games we've played in world cups. The 3 most commonly played squads I was looking for were 1st XI,2nd XI & U21. Combining this with the list from 1, you probably should have been down to 2-3 players. Was probably guessable at this point because 1 had played a significantly larger amount of games, although you didn't have to risk it at this point.
3. I have been involved in a mixup substitution with the NT where the replacement coming on for me wasn't meant to have played. This hurt our chances of winning against a Southern Hemisphere opponent. (Up at 7:16 2008-12-11)
Mixup substitution was an incident which happened in one of the NT games under borkos' reign when he selected the wrong Byers as the substitute. I used Southern Hemisphere to prevent blurting out NZ which would have made the answer dead obvious, so it then required a little more work but if you had remembered the thread the mass discussion was in (page 85 in the NT thread) then you could have easily worked out the date of the match and discovered the player, or else work through your shortlist from the previous clues.
4. I have never lost a game when I've contributed to the NT with assists or scoring 2 or more goals. (Up at 7:10 2008-12-12)
This came about because I knew Hirons had a pretty decent record and anybody with an eye for detail will remember some discussion about how Hirons tends to have a good record for us, especially against NZ. Even without that though, you only had to work through your shortlist (<5 players, would be 1 if you worked out clue 3's meaning) to locate all games where they've either got an assist or scoring more than 2 goals. You did have to locate about 6-7 games of Hirons though because they weren't in the stats page due to the # of games played.
5. I have scored a hattrick for the NT on 5 occasions, had a 100% accuracy rate on my NT debut and have been located in an Australian club the entire time. (Up at 7:09 2008-12-13)
Dead give away to try and entice people to answer the question. By now you know it's likely to be a striker who's fairly well capped and in an Australian club the whole time.
Genuinely the first clue is to give you an initial list to work with to assist with eliminating possibilities. Doesn't always work out that way, although this case if you interpreted the first clue correctly you had a very small list to work with.
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SOtPwOSEtAGRFiEJYdEiHgJWsQToYS
How to best decipher this. Should have been guessable when you solved the answer to the clues. As letters it looks like rubbish, convert it to numbers (i.e convert the letter to the number it represents in the alphabet, so A=a=1,B=b=2 etc. You do this you should be able to isolate the junk spaces and notice only a small handful of those numbers are <10. In fact that would give you something like 4 words. You might then notice the last two appear to be the same length as the clue answer Kris Hirons and notice that several of the letters correspond to match perfectly.
The only remaining part was to work out how the numbers were formed from the original. In this case I scaled everything back so instead of having A-Z ranging from 1-26, I had A-Z from 1-13.5 then substituting the letter value back in (A-m). Any number higher than that was a space/junk. Now what I did was sum the letter numerical value and added 1 to it, then divided by 2. In the case if it was a whole number I represented it by the capital letter, otherwise it would be a lower case letter.
That then solved it to be "I AM KRIS HIRONS". The hardest part of the exercise probably would have been determing where the spaces and junk characters were which is why i tried to emphasize looking for other ways to convert the format into. This wasn't meant to be easy, although I thought some would be able to get it once they had the clue answered and isolated the spaces from the message.
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How to best decipher this. Should have been guessable when you solved the answer to the clues. As letters it looks like rubbish, convert it to numbers (i.e convert the letter to the number it represents in the alphabet, so A=a=1,B=b=2 etc. You do this you should be able to isolate the junk spaces and notice only a small handful of those numbers are <10. In fact that would give you something like 4 words. You might then notice the last two appear to be the same length as the clue answer Kris Hirons and notice that several of the letters correspond to match perfectly.
The only remaining part was to work out how the numbers were formed from the original. In this case I scaled everything back so instead of having A-Z ranging from 1-26, I had A-Z from 1-13.5 then substituting the letter value back in (A-m). Any number higher than that was a space/junk. Now what I did was sum the letter numerical value and added 1 to it, then divided by 2. In the case if it was a whole number I represented it by the capital letter, otherwise it would be a lower case letter.
That then solved it to be "I AM KRIS HIRONS". The hardest part of the exercise probably would have been determing where the spaces and junk characters were which is why i tried to emphasize looking for other ways to convert the format into. This wasn't meant to be easy, although I thought some would be able to get it once they had the clue answered and isolated the spaces from the message.
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vivski para
cometer [del]
Cool. Well you can't expect to get your first cryptic crossword out. Half of a puzzle is knowing how the riddler things. The more codes we see, the better we'll get. :)
cometer [del] para
vivski
Yeah, quite true, hence why I'm explaining my thinking :). I guarantee had I given you the code without the 7 junk characters either side of the message it may have made things easier ;).
i.e E (t) AG (R) FiEJ (Y) dEiHgJ
i.e E (t) AG (R) FiEJ (Y) dEiHgJ
Points after Round 1:
1) vivski - 8 points
2) Achmid - 8 points
3) jkhtong1 - 6 points
4) Tigermaster - 6 points
5) naphtali - 5 points
*For users on equal points it will be based on who the previous leader was but being the first round it was who got the correct answer in 1st.
1) vivski - 8 points
2) Achmid - 8 points
3) jkhtong1 - 6 points
4) Tigermaster - 6 points
5) naphtali - 5 points
*For users on equal points it will be based on who the previous leader was but being the first round it was who got the correct answer in 1st.
Round 2
Clues:
1. Neither of us have won an A League/National League title but we both originated in the same region and have had more than 1 NT coach. (Up at 13:05 2008-12-15)
2. In the last match in which we played together we both played under the same order. (Up at 17:28 2008-12-16)
3. We currently both sit on the same number of current cards and one of us was involved with one of Australia's heaviest defeats. (Up at 12:12 2008-12-17)
4. Neither of us have ever scored more than 1 assist in a single NT game. We also have winning %'s of greater than 45% in the NT. (Up at 15:03 2008-12-18)
5. Both our surnames start with the same letter and we're both inside the top 5 for most ever NT games for Australia, one of us even has a WCQ goal to their name. (Up at 12:42 20008-12-19)
Secret Code:
0101010001100010000101110000010101010100000000010001001000000101
0110001000000010000000010001011000000101000000010001001101010100
0000000100001110000001000110001000000010000100100000111100011000
0001010000001111000011100101010001100010
For the record it's one continuous pattern of random jibberish, only put it on 4 lines to make it easier to read and less scrolling needed. Enjoy cracking it. Again is related to the answer/s and may or may not be gettable before getting the clue out just like last time.
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Clues:
1. Neither of us have won an A League/National League title but we both originated in the same region and have had more than 1 NT coach. (Up at 13:05 2008-12-15)
2. In the last match in which we played together we both played under the same order. (Up at 17:28 2008-12-16)
3. We currently both sit on the same number of current cards and one of us was involved with one of Australia's heaviest defeats. (Up at 12:12 2008-12-17)
4. Neither of us have ever scored more than 1 assist in a single NT game. We also have winning %'s of greater than 45% in the NT. (Up at 15:03 2008-12-18)
5. Both our surnames start with the same letter and we're both inside the top 5 for most ever NT games for Australia, one of us even has a WCQ goal to their name. (Up at 12:42 20008-12-19)
Secret Code:
0101010001100010000101110000010101010100000000010001001000000101
0110001000000010000000010001011000000101000000010001001101010100
0000000100001110000001000110001000000010000100100000111100011000
0001010000001111000011100101010001100010
For the record it's one continuous pattern of random jibberish, only put it on 4 lines to make it easier to read and less scrolling needed. Enjoy cracking it. Again is related to the answer/s and may or may not be gettable before getting the clue out just like last time.
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