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It depends obviously...

If you're not training young players and valuable young players then yeah, there's not much point in having a top coach.

For me unearthly as main is much better since you can juggle training every week AND you are sure that your young trainees get top level general and main training. And for 16-18yo players even one pop makes a big difference in price, same with talent graphs.

Yeah it’s interesting but then if it’s a 3-4% difference then it’s likely the same for talent estimation too and then you’re still messing around with layers of rng.

So you’re paying high wages for something that isn’t guaranteed to get any better results.

The main head coach at least gives some better result even if it’s small, it’s at least guaranteed.

Comes down to what you value I guess. Training players to me is the most important thing, even more so than producing possible players.

Yet here I am with both unearthly anyway.

We clearly think similarly on this :).

I think really it shows there isn’t necessarily a best way to go about it, it really depends on what you personally prefer and you probably don’t even need an unearthly coach anywhere if you don’t want one.

Honestly I think that the relation of price to quality/effect is probably best at magical for youths.

As for main I think I will stick with this one, currently he's my assistant but my main is 123 years old and decided to quit and have more time for his grand-grand-grand children ;-)

so this will be my main

Marek Kranich, age: 44
wage: 153 700 zł
club: The Evil`s, country: Polska,
brilliant [14] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
unearthly [16] of stamina unsatisfactory [2] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace unearthly [16] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing unearthly [16] of striker

Nice if you’re not training gk :)

Yeah, I usually do, although it's not a big problem for now since it's not profitable and magical+ GKs with 30yo go for peanuts

Although I have this fellow

Marek Przewoźniak, age: 21
club: The Evil`s, country: Polska
value : 9 318 000 zł
wage: 78 900 zł
unearthly [16] form
outstanding [12] tactical discipline
height: 171 cm, weight: 66.5 kg, BMI: 22.74

very good [9] stamina unearthly [16] keeper
incredible [13] pace average [5] defender
average [5] technique average [5] playmaker
excellent [10] passing weak [4] striker

only +1 in GK so it's 50/50 if he can get to superdivine GK in one season, took him 5 to magical and 5 to unearthly

Yeah GK really aren't worth the expense of training them, yet here I am, because someone has to do it and the NT is my main goal in this game.

Happy to take a bit of a hit whilst others catch up in the league. I'd prefer a strong league I'm not winning than a weak league I easily win in

I come back about junior coach and head coach.
@cometer : you evoked to submit to a new manager to take an incredible youth coach. I'd say : never :-). Why ? Here is the explanation.

Considering that you get a head coach with an incredible skill for training. Then, the pops will be very low compared to a head coach with an unearthly skill for training (at least one week difference pop in low level).
Then it is the same with youth coach. For instance, i come back with the new entry : 16yo unsatisfactory 33 weeks. Let's say, he has got a "hidden" talent 3.0 to simplify. Then, with an unearthly coach, he will pop every 3 weeks, then his level at the end will be : 2 + 33/3 = 13 - incredible at 19yo. If you had an incredible youth coach, he will pop every 4 weeks, then his level at the end will be : 2 + 33/4 = 10 - excellent at 19yo.
Obvioulsy, there is random of skill distribution but 3 level difference will give you really more chance to get a profile useful to train (as he is talented) and get some nice profit by selling him later on.

But i agree that a max head coach will help you to maximize tacital discipline.

Now, with strong team as ours, this question is superfluous :-)

No chance as a new team you’re getting an unearthly youth coach though for one thing. That’s why I mentioned incredible. On the flipside a main coach with skills of unearthly in skills you’re training is affordable as you’re looking at incredible/brilliant general appraisal.


For another 33 weeks is unrealistic as most times you get much less than that, so let’s assume they’re the same probability and therefore on average say 16-17 weeks and the gap is 1 level in your calculations (if that’s even remotely accurate). I also think if a player comes out excellent but is actually formidable the skill set upon being pulled is for their actual level not their estimated level which basically throws your whole calculation out anyway.

My understanding was it improves growth of skills at some rate faster than incredible but mostly just gives you a better guess at what talent is.

If we assume the difference in skill training is the same as for main training then at least with the main coach you get to directly influence which skills improve quicker (youth school you don’t choose and so a horrible distribution on average will still be horrible)

We can agree to disagree though
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Every level in youth coach gives 0,2 possible to Max level talent under training in youth school.. but yes, above brilliant is hard unless established team
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Unearthly youth coach 3.2 Max talent, incredible 3,8..... bit less difference then you claim... ill still argue to catch a magical... Unearthly if you Are Lucky while hiring magical

Especially Since they hold on average only 25 seasons before retirement i find it dumb to use 5-10 m on unearthly when you get magical cheap fast

Im not sure about that. My understanding is talent doesn’t change depending on a youth coach level. The estimated talent would improve but a players talent is determined when they enter the school not from a youth coach level. What may be true is you might attract better talents to your school with a higher coach.

Happy to be told I’m wrong though :)

Edit: So where things get complicated is when we start talking about actual talent or what we usually refer to as talent when posting juniors (eg estimated talent). Would seem to me actual talent doesn’t change but the estimated talent would because of better prediction of level and also slightly faster junior skill development which would also factor into talent estimation. Talent estimation is the only thing visible to us so that makes it even more important to differentiate between the two. We use talent to refer to both when they’re different.
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Yeah from what I understand is players underlying talent doesn't change but with a lower coach, they can only train at x speed.

So for example, a 3.0 talent player, when they leave school, with still be a 3.0 talent, but an unearthly coach would only be able to train them at the speed of a 3.2 talent, a magical could only train at the speed of a 3.4 talent etc.

Then it would appear to be a 3.4talent player with a magical coach when in reality they are better than that

+1
That's what i tried ti explain.

And as cometer mentioned, with juniors who stay only few weeks into the center, let' say less than 12w, the difference between an unearthly coach and an incredible one is low for a same talent. With the 1st coach, he could pop at max 4 times and with the 2, at max 3. And finally, with the repartition of skills unknown, the worst or the best can happen.

And as adaca said, with the new system for coach retirement, the cost of an unearthly is less valuable if we have to spend so many millions to get it.

Maybe we have to wait for a bit for the future change in junior system evoked by devs.

How fast they train in youth school is determined by talent and youth coach skill combined

Thats a fact