Asunto: Future personal Youth Camp for NT

Greetings,


After almost 19 years as a successful Italian player, I'm considering a complete rebuild of my team. Currently leading in the Italian Serie B and ranked 4th among 650+ users in Italy, I've been part of a highly competitive environment for the past three years.

I'm now planning to focus on the most populated and active anglophone communities, driven by a special connection since my childhood. The project involves dedicating efforts to restart training plans for 16-17-year-old players. I've successfully executed this in the past, starting from scratch over ten seasons ago, with many of those players now in their national teams or under observation.

Given the new training system, the process is expected to be easier, with less concern about each player's starting skill. The primary focus will be on identifying good talent.

I plan to concentrate on one or, at most, two nations, depending on the quantity of young players each community can promote from their youth teams. The ultimate goal is to completely rebuild a roster of 10 to 13 trained players, each capable of candidacy for their respective national teams, thereby enhancing the overall quality. The target rating for my future team is a minimum of 77-78, this means easily more for the total roster of their NT. If successful, I might also consider a future candidacy for the national team, depending on community sentiments.

Before proceeding, I'd like to ask the community the following questions:

Are you interested in and enthusiastic about my project, seeing its potential to improve your NT team?

Would you be willing to concentrate on youth teams to produce more 16-17-year-old players, especially in the first half of the season?

Can someone help estimate how many teams are actively promoting players from their youth teams?


These questions are for evaluation purposes, considering that I plan to rebuild my team with a new cycle of young players no later than next three seasons, possibly sooner based on community responses.

The concrete implementation of this proposal depends on the positive response and availability of each community, which is crucial to me. Thank you in advance.

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Always good to have more managers committed to training young players for the NT. There are a few who've been very successful in training young Aussie players to NT level.

If you look at the "youth school" forum topic, you'll see who the active managers are and how many are tracking talent.

One comment would be that you mention training 10-13 youths, but any more than 10 will not get optimal training. Consider limiting it to 10.

Good luck with your project.

Thank you so much!

Australia is a populated, active and united community, one with the best potential of improvement toward future senior NT.

Even if it's early for me to buy and train him, I'm following one of your 16yo player on the market by now. It's just a matter to verify talent, in this case.
He's an example of the perfect kind of player for my personal method of development. At first look, he could have just pop up today in some skills, so it's a positive signal.

About your suggestions, please consider the importance of position training (28% of an advanced one) when managing a bit more of 10 trainees, so mitigating much training loss. Instead, general training is always full performed. Moreover, injuries happens and this more compensates the turnover strategies as an advantage.

Considering that more of one community is well answering to my proposal, I will be happy to plan more than two nations for my next rebuild. Meanwhile, I will contact my friends to engage them in helping the project at the same way.

The start of my team rebuild was predicted in less than three season, but I will gladly anticipate it by one season at least. Meanwhile well organizing me and participating to each community's life with my personal suggestions, if appreciated.

:)
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About your suggestions, please consider the importance of position training (28% of an advanced one) when managing a bit more of 10 trainees, so mitigating much training loss. Instead, general training is always full performed. Moreover, injuries happens and this more compensates the turnover strategies as an advantage.

this is wasting player potential, position training isn't nowhere near advanced training and it's around 22% not 28% of advanced training

so a talented player with NT potential (as you're supposed to buy such players...) will get 1/4 of possible weekly training instead of 4/4... that's not a good idea for any small NT
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The old percentage was around 20% or 22%, some seasons ago Raul announced its increase of 40% more for position training, so rising it up to 28% of an advanced training than before.
Even some recent sokker tools on the web to calculate training efficiency confirm this, describing a +- 25% for position/formation training ("4 less effective than advanced training"): https://geston.smallhost.pl/sokker/training.html

Personally, the observation of my trained players confirm it's around 28%.

That's just a premise. Please consider that even rotating every 13 players on 10 in advanced training, the training efficiency would become 83,3% for each player.
Instead, general training would be even 100% full. As explained before, consider injuries. Some weeks each time could easily suffer 1 or more injuered trainees, and this also for an entire month.
So the turnover becomes necessary for two reasons: 1) preventing injury risk, when player becomes mature to play many minutes in championship matches 2) compensate injury weeks affecting the whole roster training

To avoid significative loss on main skills trained, the plan is to start with just a total of 10/11 players, good talented, then integrating at least a couple more when aged 20+.

Depends also by each role. Defenders can be turnovered much more easily when becoming older.

Absolutely no wasting of precious players for NT, but instead, aiming for the valorization of best ones with few market appeal.
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That may be okay for a long term rebuild strategy in the interests of the club, but from the perspective of NT players reaching their full potential, you'd always opt for maximum training. The top talents need dedicated training every week.

Exactly. It's definitely not in the NT business that someone with NT potential will receive only 28% of possible training, because he is a 'training backup'.

Baser 16yo is an interesting prospect. Worth a couple of weeks to verify his talent, for someone who has a spare training spot. Possible future as a U21 DEF. Popped pace today as you noticed.

I know. He's the perfect kind of player in the role of central defender. I'm just following him and informed my friend in real life DeddeKnight, who already accepted to give me an hand in this project with his team.

He will prepare adequate staff within this week, reserving every friday's match to grow a total of 10 players trained each week, chosen from common 16-17yo players. I would be happy to drive him to do it as its best.

If you like the idea, he's immediately available for trying to buy and train player of this kind.

https://sokker.org/player/PID/39126253

Liam Baser is the new youth of Avengers United, lead by my friend DeddeKnight. So winning easily the bid where the only other buyer was a foreign user who subscribed six months ago.

This mean that Baser will be followed certainly to ensure high quality training and participation toward NT coaches, about his progress. As just said, I will help my friend as ever, to do it better as possible.

Obviously, he will start immediately training in advanced slot.

I will update on next Australian young promises who will join the project. Hoping it will be appreciated, thank you.

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Please consider I'm experienced in that. Infact, you are not calculating the huge injury prevention for each player, thanks to turnover minutage.

This could mean saving a lot of weeks that normally would be lost also 4 times more, due to injuries on a single player. It compensates a lot the slight loss of efficiency for each player training.

My turnovered player suffered just an average of 2 weeks by each in a total of 10 seasons. But the one's who did less turnover, like my best MID, has lost 9 weeks in a single season when 25yo, so even losing NT convocation at that time.

This kind of management is in the interest of NT itself, it's just about to balance it at its best, even more can be done on the next youth cycle.

Personally, I would do it more progressively, when players are becoming more mature for championship matches. So no worries about that.

Please consider I'm experienced in that. Infact, you are not calculating the huge injury prevention for each player, thanks to turnover minutage.

You don't need to waste a trainee with NT potential in order to do a rotation. You can do that with everyone, a 35yo or a 1 euro player.

This kind of management is in the interest of NT itself

It's not. The interest of NT is very simple - every youth that can in future play in u21/NT should get at least 96% training every week. End of philosophy.
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End of philosophy

So. I'm not interested in this kind of arguing.

Thanks.
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Except borkos is right here. Even if it is 28% for formation training they still have to play and so they may as well play with advanced training. It’s just not worth training players if they’re not getting advanced training unless you don’t care about potential and just want to make a quick $. Even if they didn’t need to play a game for that 28% (and they do) the risk of injury is minor and usually you’re out for no more than 4 weeks which means for the 28% that still means they’ve got to have 4 weeks of that for the equivalent of 1 week advanced training which means you still don’t gain unless your player gets injured every match which doesn’t happen. Even with advanced training and not playing still wouldn’t be worth it in the long term from an NT perspective.

Greetings Cometer, thanks for your reply.

:)

My method Is to slightly increase number of trainers since they are around 20+ Age, when they are ready to start full minutage in championship.

Turnovering them up to no more than 13 for 10 advanced slots, the effective loss of training Is mainly compensated by less injury risk in a whole cycle of 13 season.

I'm preparing a more detailed explaination, comparing two examples.

This way, Is possible to prepare an higher number of NT level players, and Is suitable for those normal 16-17yo youngs who usually tend to get lost around the market, or unsold and fired.

For this reason my method Is suitable to produce an higher number of potential NT on long-term period, better checking secondary choices of new youths.

Obviusly each player has it's own one, i'm just explaining mine and why do I like it, because every team Is managed also to become competitive and manageable.

In simple words, my method tenda tò ensure thirteen potential average level 9,5 NT players, instead of ten by a level of 9,75 or more.

The vantage Is it's suitable also for most smaller economy team, with quite zero initial investment.

Infact, Is not suitable for those top picks highly talented certified and skilled since 18yo and heavily quoted on the market.

Briefly, it's one of the more efficient way to help each NT with less waste of low skilled 16-17yo, developing much more potential NT players, even with less injury influence on each one.

Even it's achievable by most of the teams, giving long term perspective for each of them, this should be good news for everybody.
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I guess the big thing here is, it is beneficial for the players that would otherwise not be trained.

The individual player will not be better off, but the overall number of players will be better off

Despite injuries how they are, I do think for your method 13 is too many, you will have more success with 11, but that's fine, it is a management game and everyone is free to try whatever method they would like.

I think also the best 16-17yos will still be picked up by the regular trainers of Aus youths, and in that case, would not be suitable for Saturner anyway because as he mentions,, its for the cheaper players, not the high priced ones.

I look forward to see what kind of talent you develop for the Aus NT Saturner :) and I will let you know if we would prefer a player to be sold off