Asunto: Youth players

I am definately not a fan of the new system!

Vivski, you're on the money in terms of what I'm getting at.
Minkee, not sure you're totally getting what I'm saying.

My squad is at a point where being full (or near enough) means it becomes more difficult with the new system when determining who to let go in order to bring 'freshies' in. Whilst the final outcome may be the same as the previous system, I can't afford to be waiting until that time to find out - the randomness in terms of what you get is already there at the time of bringing the junior in to your senior squad (to a point).

Example - I have a player who came in at poor & 21 weeks, then after a week or two popped to weak, only to then drop three levels to hopeless! So, from being worth keeping as a possible solid pop, he goes to something not worth keeping(?) - I have far less idea (& this is not the only case I have).

There is absolutely no way this is as beneficial as the previous system. If I'm paying the wages for a magical coach, I expect a better reading & less fluctuations on players, especially when I'm getting a drop by 3 levels - otherwise what's the point.
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I get you no problem, I have players going -2/+2 within a week too. I have a magical coach, that's as accurate as he's going to be and if I want a better one I'll have to upgrade to unearthly, I accept this.

The system has been in place only 4 weeks, I just find it's way too early to draw conclusion as this period would in most cases only translate in one pop for a nice juniors with the old system. This is what I'm getting at.
Also Greg specifically said he wanted a bit more randomness and less readability in the system so for sure it's not going to be as cushty and lazy as it was before.
The more you play the player in the junior squad the more accurate the coach will be so for sure with 30 kids in your YS you might struggle to get an accurate reading.

I still use the old popping system in my head and if the junior is not coming out VG or Excellent then I kick him out, I don't bother finding out.

I have a player who came in at poor & 21 weeks, then after a week or two popped to weak, only to then drop three levels to hopeless! So, from being worth keeping as a possible solid pop, he goes to something not worth keeping(?)

Whilst you can't know the exact level, you can work out roughly where it is based on weeks. Say he was poor 21, poor 20 and weak 19, then suddenly hopeless 18. You can essentially assume he's somewhere between two extremes (hopeless and weak). So in all likeliness he's still either an unsatisfactory or a poor. Obviously the more weeks he plays the closer the range you get.


It's much more difficult then before but what it has done is put everyone on the same field, whilst also hopefully dropping prices of youth players due to uncertainty in talent. I still would like a bit more time to fiddle around with a bit of experimentation to see if it's possible to get a decent estimate of the talent despite the fluctuations but I'm not holding much hope. I'm not judging this system just atm either, first impressions are I don't enjoy it too much but it could easily grow on me as time passes and I get to understand the system a bit more and get over having the free lunch decisions.


Edit: Out of interest, do player level estimates update on Thursday with training or on the Wednesday? I haven't really been around to work out the exact dates. I'd assume it's the Thursday update.
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Outstanding (+0) Junior. Talent 4.66 (old graphs)

Pete Parkinson, age 18 , sum(32)
value: 132 400 AU$
wage: 1 920 AU$
very good (9) form

weak (4) stamina hopeless (1) keeper
excellent (10) pace hopeless (1) defender
tragic (0) technique adequate (6) playmaker
solid (8) passing unsatisfactory (2) striker

I am exceptionally happy with that. He fits my tech training perfectly. I couldn't have chosen the skills better and not a bad talent. I am going to find a spot for him on my training squad.

VG, talent 5

Nahuel Tang, age: 18

club:
Devil`s Angels United
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, country: Australia
value: 70 800 AU$, wage: 1 240 AU$
very good form, tragic tactical discipline
height: 185 cm

NTDB:
poor stamina hopeless keeper
adequate pace weak defender
tragic technique good playmaker
good passing tragic striker

decent midfielder prospect, young but with average talent



excellent, talent ~5.5

Travis McIlroy, age: 20

club:
Devil`s Angels United
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, country: Australia
value: 88 000 AU$, wage: 1 400 AU$
very good form, tragic tactical discipline
height: 179 cm

NTDB:
hopeless stamina tragic keeper
adequate pace tragic defender
average technique good playmaker
average passing adequate striker

old and mediocre



VG, talent 6

Cormac Moore, age: 20

club:
Devil`s Angels United
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, country: Australia
value: 70 000 AU$, wage: 1 240 AU$
very good form, tragic tactical discipline
height: 168 cm

NTDB:
hopeless stamina tragic keeper
hopeless pace adequate defender
tragic technique adequate playmaker
good passing poor striker

same as above


the 20yos going on TL now, 18yo on friday night if anyone interested

More tripe...

Paul Douglas, age: 20
value: 243 200 AU$, wage: 3 040 AU$
height: 176 cm

adequate stamina very good keeper
unsatisfactory pace hopeless defender
hopeless technique hopeless playmaker
weak passing poor striker

...will try to offload.
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Jose Chan, age: 19

club: WA = FULL OF SAND, country: Australia
value: 364 800 AU$, wage: 4 400 AU$
very good form, tragic tactical discipline
height: 174 cm

tragic stamina excellent keeper
solid pace tragic defender
tragic technique hopeless playmaker
good passing hopeless striker

Stacy Osman, age 17
value: 45 200 AU$
wage: 1 000 AU$
very good form

unsatisfactory stamina tragic keeper
unsatisfactory pace poor defender
poor technique unsatisfactory playmaker
good passing weak striker
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let's hope the buyer gives this guy keeper training!

Very Good (ish) (9,9,9,10,8,6,8,7,7,7,7,7,7,7) Talent -> Not particularly


Ante Brabham, age: 17, height: 177 cm
value: 66 000 AU$, wage: 1 160 AU$
club: Tribe, country: Australia
very good form, tragic tactical discipline

unsatisfactory stamina, tragic keeper
adequate pace, average defender
weak technique, unsatisfactory playmaker
weak passing, adequate striker

Ohhhh you were kind of a striker/defender. Then why'd you get a better mark as a mid?

average, talent 7

Samuel Marsh, age: 20 , sum(20)

club:
Devil`s Angels United
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, country: Australia
value: 37 200 AU$, wage: 920 AU$
very good (9) form, tragic (0) tactical discipline
height: 171 cm

NTDB:
weak (4) stamina hopeless (1) keeper
tragic (0) pace unsatisfactory (2) defender
adequate (6) technique tragic (0) playmaker
poor (3) passing weak (4) striker

tell me why i kept this guy again?



VG, talent ~6
Wayne Landers, age: 18 , sum(17)

club:
Devil`s Angels United
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, country: Australia
value: 45 200 AU$, wage: 1 000 AU$
very good (9) form, tragic (0) tactical discipline
height: 178 cm

NTDB:
adequate (6) stamina unsatisfactory (2) keeper
good (7) pace tragic (0) defender
hopeless (1) technique hopeless (1) playmaker
tragic (0) passing tragic (0) striker

i suppose he is "sort of" a gk, but aint gonna go far with that much stamina...

pulled as solid

Goran Tong, age: 17

club: Elman FC, country: Australia
value: 62 000 AU$, wage: 1 160 AU$
very good form, tragic tactical discipline
height: 175 cm

hopeless stamina tragic keeper
good pace average defender
hopeless technique hopeless playmaker
average passing poor striker

I got to pull my divine junior today. But you'll have to look at my squad to see him

Tremendous.

shame he can't play keeper...

one for the NTDB!

What a monster...havent seen anyong that good since Carl Lawton!