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Sucks getting a good youth pull towards the end of the season!
I've been tossing around an idea in my head around youths that are scheduled to 'graduate' later in the season. What if, I sacked every youth who entered my youth school who was scheduled to graduate in the second half of a season. Doesn't matter if it's this season or a future one. If it's after the halfway point, I immediately sack them because they will age soon after graduating.
In this way, any youths that I do pull, and are worthy of retaining for training, have the advantage of at least half a season before they age. And I build up a whole youth squad that will only graduate in the first half of a future season. I'd still thin the squad based on talent obviously.
The obvious downsides are that I could miss out on a star by sacking them before I know their talent, and there may be a potential loss of sale income from youth pulls I might have sold.
Just throwing it out there for discussion. Thoughts?
I've been tossing around an idea in my head around youths that are scheduled to 'graduate' later in the season. What if, I sacked every youth who entered my youth school who was scheduled to graduate in the second half of a season. Doesn't matter if it's this season or a future one. If it's after the halfway point, I immediately sack them because they will age soon after graduating.
In this way, any youths that I do pull, and are worthy of retaining for training, have the advantage of at least half a season before they age. And I build up a whole youth squad that will only graduate in the first half of a future season. I'd still thin the squad based on talent obviously.
The obvious downsides are that I could miss out on a star by sacking them before I know their talent, and there may be a potential loss of sale income from youth pulls I might have sold.
Just throwing it out there for discussion. Thoughts?
I think you are killing off half your youths by doing this.
As frustrating as it is getting them in the second half of the season, you could always change your mindset and think they are just the age above, getting in early training.
In the end, the younger someone is the better they can be adjusted for future NT purposes, regardless of if they are an early or late season trainee.
If you could be bothered scrolling back through the youths thread, you'd get an idea just how many late season players there are that end up representing the U21s at least. But its a lot of effort.
My general advice based on graduating age and skill (which sokker asistente makes easy) is keep the following players:
21 - Outstanding+
20 - Excellent +
19 - Solid+
18 - Adequate+
17 - Average +
16 - Poor +
These could easily be pushed up a level or two, but unless you are struggling with positions in the youth school, its a good rule.
Talent wise - I don't sack anyone based on talent unless they have been in the youth school for 10+ weeks.
Then I revert to the above table.
Then I will start sacking based on a combination of talent and the above table. ie if they are just going to scrape by the minimum, and they have a talent of 8 - sack sack sackaroo.
As frustrating as it is getting them in the second half of the season, you could always change your mindset and think they are just the age above, getting in early training.
In the end, the younger someone is the better they can be adjusted for future NT purposes, regardless of if they are an early or late season trainee.
If you could be bothered scrolling back through the youths thread, you'd get an idea just how many late season players there are that end up representing the U21s at least. But its a lot of effort.
My general advice based on graduating age and skill (which sokker asistente makes easy) is keep the following players:
21 - Outstanding+
20 - Excellent +
19 - Solid+
18 - Adequate+
17 - Average +
16 - Poor +
These could easily be pushed up a level or two, but unless you are struggling with positions in the youth school, its a good rule.
Talent wise - I don't sack anyone based on talent unless they have been in the youth school for 10+ weeks.
Then I revert to the above table.
Then I will start sacking based on a combination of talent and the above table. ie if they are just going to scrape by the minimum, and they have a talent of 8 - sack sack sackaroo.
With late season recruits, you could just use the above and make an inbetween age. This would mean 20.5 would be Formidable+, 19.5 Very Good + etc.
I work on the following levels for season start to season end -
16yo (4-6) - i.e. minimum weak (4) early season, minimum adequate (6) near season end
17yo (6-8)
18yo (8-10)
19yo (10-12)
20yo (12+)
It then depends on talent (based on brilliant coach) & ensuring I have minimum 6 spots in squad each Saturday.
16yo (4-6) - i.e. minimum weak (4) early season, minimum adequate (6) near season end
17yo (6-8)
18yo (8-10)
19yo (10-12)
20yo (12+)
It then depends on talent (based on brilliant coach) & ensuring I have minimum 6 spots in squad each Saturday.
I use the following rule. The skills are the min overall skill that I look for in that age bracket when the youth transitions to the main squad
16 - Adequate
17 - solid
18 - excellent
19 - formidable/outstanding
20 - outstanding
21 - incredible/brilliant
Have observed that many players below this min skill turn out to be trash, unless miraculously the skill distribution is very good. This will ensure that you save money while keeping only the youths having a good chance of having a decent skill distribution and probably representing Australia U21.
Regarding the idea of sacking all second half season youths, I wouldn't recommend doing it. You could always consider say, a late second half season 17y youth as an early 18y season youth. For example, in 1 week from now, I'll get two 17y youths, I will never think of sacking them because they have decent skill distribution even though it's the 2nd half of the season.
Rajat Tickoo 17 formidable [11] outfield 1
Mahendra Krishnan 17 very good [9] outfield 1
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16 - Adequate
17 - solid
18 - excellent
19 - formidable/outstanding
20 - outstanding
21 - incredible/brilliant
Have observed that many players below this min skill turn out to be trash, unless miraculously the skill distribution is very good. This will ensure that you save money while keeping only the youths having a good chance of having a decent skill distribution and probably representing Australia U21.
Regarding the idea of sacking all second half season youths, I wouldn't recommend doing it. You could always consider say, a late second half season 17y youth as an early 18y season youth. For example, in 1 week from now, I'll get two 17y youths, I will never think of sacking them because they have decent skill distribution even though it's the 2nd half of the season.
Rajat Tickoo 17 formidable [11] outfield 1
Mahendra Krishnan 17 very good [9] outfield 1
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fantum para
KautukP [del]
Shame about the age & time of season for these two.
Magical, Talent = 3.5 (28/8)
Loyd Zillman, age: 20
value : 306 000 AU$, wage: 3 760 AU$
height: 182 cm, weight: 83 kg, BMI: 25.06
unsatisfactory [2] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
excellent [10] pace weak [4] defender
very good [9] technique adequate [6] playmaker
very good [9] passing very good [9] striker
Incredible, Talent = 4.0 (28/7)
Denis Oliveira, age: 19
value : 172 400 AU$, wage: 2 280 AU$
height: 169 cm, weight: 65.5 kg, BMI: 22.93
tragic [0] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
solid [8] pace weak [4] defender
solid [8] technique solid [8] playmaker
hopeless [1] passing solid [8] striker
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Magical, Talent = 3.5 (28/8)
Loyd Zillman, age: 20
value : 306 000 AU$, wage: 3 760 AU$
height: 182 cm, weight: 83 kg, BMI: 25.06
unsatisfactory [2] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
excellent [10] pace weak [4] defender
very good [9] technique adequate [6] playmaker
very good [9] passing very good [9] striker
Incredible, Talent = 4.0 (28/7)
Denis Oliveira, age: 19
value : 172 400 AU$, wage: 2 280 AU$
height: 169 cm, weight: 65.5 kg, BMI: 22.93
tragic [0] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
solid [8] pace weak [4] defender
solid [8] technique solid [8] playmaker
hopeless [1] passing solid [8] striker
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It's a shame yes, but they are still great players.
Loyd Zillman - #3 U20 ATT. - Likely right there with the top 2 given sublevels
- #7 U20 MID - it's a very close group in terms of skills, but I think the top 3 (Sevin, Burke, Turner) are a little far ahead
Denis Oliveira
#4 U19 ATT - would likely be #3 due to sublevels. Unlikely to catch number 1 and number 2 (Mitchell and Renaud)
Loyd Zillman - #3 U20 ATT. - Likely right there with the top 2 given sublevels
- #7 U20 MID - it's a very close group in terms of skills, but I think the top 3 (Sevin, Burke, Turner) are a little far ahead
Denis Oliveira
#4 U19 ATT - would likely be #3 due to sublevels. Unlikely to catch number 1 and number 2 (Mitchell and Renaud)
Good. Talent like 10ish
Wayne Alogdellis, age: 19
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 82 400 AU$
wage: 1 320 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 181 cm, weight: 74.3 kg, BMI: 22.68
weak [4] stamina adequate [6] keeper
unsatisfactory [2] pace tragic [0] defender
hopeless [1] technique hopeless [1] playmaker
average [5] passing tragic [0] striker
Wayne Alogdellis, age: 19
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 82 400 AU$
wage: 1 320 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 181 cm, weight: 74.3 kg, BMI: 22.68
weak [4] stamina adequate [6] keeper
unsatisfactory [2] pace tragic [0] defender
hopeless [1] technique hopeless [1] playmaker
average [5] passing tragic [0] striker
Will train both initially as strikers with pace/tech from main coach. I can switch my youth coach in when needing striker training (brilliant)....
... but ideally need to find a new coach with better striker skill.... might be time to play the coach market.
Oliveira may be moved on if not up to speed for future 1st XI.
... but ideally need to find a new coach with better striker skill.... might be time to play the coach market.
Oliveira may be moved on if not up to speed for future 1st XI.
Talent 9, sharing only for that passing stat!
Alexander Inglis, age: 19, height: 173 cm
value: 128 400 AU$, wage: 1 920 AU$
stamina [1] hopeless, keeper [0] tragic
pace [4] weak, defender [2] unsatisfactory
technique [7] good, playmaker [0] tragic
passing [10] excellent, striker [2] unsatisfactory
Alexander Inglis, age: 19, height: 173 cm
value: 128 400 AU$, wage: 1 920 AU$
stamina [1] hopeless, keeper [0] tragic
pace [4] weak, defender [2] unsatisfactory
technique [7] good, playmaker [0] tragic
passing [10] excellent, striker [2] unsatisfactory
I find it's good to share even the rubbish ones. It reminds everyone that we all get rubbish pulls too.
Plus there is the odd diamond in the "rubbish". Even ones I have commented on in the past as being ordinary have been trained well and represented Aus U21s
Plus there is the odd diamond in the "rubbish". Even ones I have commented on in the past as being ordinary have been trained well and represented Aus U21s
Patrick Lang, age: 16
club: The Comets, country: Australia
value : 28 000 AU$ wage: 840 AU$
very good [9] form tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 172 cm, weight: 65.2 kg, BMI: 22.04
unsatisfactory [2] stamina tragic [0] keeper
hopeless [1] pace poor [3] defender
poor [3] technique poor [3] playmaker
weak [4] passing poor [3] striker
Pulled as adequate
club: The Comets, country: Australia
value : 28 000 AU$ wage: 840 AU$
very good [9] form tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 172 cm, weight: 65.2 kg, BMI: 22.04
unsatisfactory [2] stamina tragic [0] keeper
hopeless [1] pace poor [3] defender
poor [3] technique poor [3] playmaker
weak [4] passing poor [3] striker
Pulled as adequate
Very Good, Talent 3.43
Bill Burke, age: 18
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 64 400 AU$
wage: 1 200 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 170 cm, weight: 62.3 kg, BMI: 21.56
weak [4] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
hopeless [1] pace hopeless [1] defender
average [5] technique tragic [0] playmaker
solid [8] passing weak [4] striker
Great talent but not much to him unfortunately
Bill Burke, age: 18
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 64 400 AU$
wage: 1 200 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 170 cm, weight: 62.3 kg, BMI: 21.56
weak [4] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
hopeless [1] pace hopeless [1] defender
average [5] technique tragic [0] playmaker
solid [8] passing weak [4] striker
Great talent but not much to him unfortunately
Talent in the 6's so dont buy
Lucas Dunn, age: 18
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 77 200 AU$
wage: 1 280 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 184 cm, weight: 80 kg, BMI: 23.63
average [5] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
adequate [6] pace tragic [0] defender
good [7] technique poor [3] playmaker
weak [4] passing average [5] striker
Talent even worse than the above
Brock Morris, age: 17
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 72 800 AU$
wage: 1 240 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 179 cm, weight: 71.4 kg, BMI: 22.28
poor [3] stamina tragic [0] keeper
weak [4] pace weak [4] defender
good [7] technique hopeless [1] playmaker
good [7] passing tragic [0] striker
Lucas Dunn, age: 18
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 77 200 AU$
wage: 1 280 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 184 cm, weight: 80 kg, BMI: 23.63
average [5] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
adequate [6] pace tragic [0] defender
good [7] technique poor [3] playmaker
weak [4] passing average [5] striker
Talent even worse than the above
Brock Morris, age: 17
club: Ginger Nuts, country: Australia
value : 72 800 AU$
wage: 1 240 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 179 cm, weight: 71.4 kg, BMI: 22.28
poor [3] stamina tragic [0] keeper
weak [4] pace weak [4] defender
good [7] technique hopeless [1] playmaker
good [7] passing tragic [0] striker
Both were only in youth school a couple of weeks, so no talent available
Good
Johnny Murray, age: 17
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 24 400 AU$
wage: 800 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 184 cm, weight: 80.2 kg, BMI: 23.69
weak [4] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
poor [3] pace hopeless [1] defender
poor [3] technique tragic [0] playmaker
weak [4] passing tragic [0] striker
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Good
Charlie Curcija, age: 18
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 44 800 AU$
wage: 960 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 182 cm, weight: 79.1 kg, BMI: 23.88
tragic [0] stamina tragic [0] keeper
average [5] pace weak [4] defender
unsatisfactory [2] technique poor [3] playmaker
poor [3] passing average [5] striker
Will sell/sack both of them
Good
Johnny Murray, age: 17
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 24 400 AU$
wage: 800 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 184 cm, weight: 80.2 kg, BMI: 23.69
weak [4] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
poor [3] pace hopeless [1] defender
poor [3] technique tragic [0] playmaker
weak [4] passing tragic [0] striker
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Good
Charlie Curcija, age: 18
club: Achmids Soul, country: Australia
value : 44 800 AU$
wage: 960 AU$
very good [9] form
tragic [0] tactical discipline
height: 182 cm, weight: 79.1 kg, BMI: 23.88
tragic [0] stamina tragic [0] keeper
average [5] pace weak [4] defender
unsatisfactory [2] technique poor [3] playmaker
poor [3] passing average [5] striker
Will sell/sack both of them