Asunto: Most Valued Skill...?

The first half of each season, I train striking. The second half I train either tech or pace (I alternate each season).

I just feel it is more efficient to train a single skill for a LONG time. Because I have to staff my squad differently for striking, pace, or technique training.

I rarely sell players so I am hardly ever trying to round a player off before a sale.

Only reason I could see for changing training more than once every 2 seasons is to try and be competitive in the cup every season. Just look at my cup record and you can tell the seasons I was training pace. I simply could not field a strong enough team in the cup while maintaining training. This season and the next are striking seasons so I can compete in the cup.

i do about 60% in one skill and then go around in the other related skills as needed.

I also am constantly looking at rounding off players pre-sale, i'm more active there than you.

Until this season I trained a skill for half a season at a time. Been rounding players off this season.

I've kinda started a long training plan, but not nearly as far out as you Billy... I think its important for Newbies to realize the importance of have some kind of plan, so this is all really helpful. I train Mids... I do like the long training of one skill and its definitely easier to staff your squad around a focused training for long periods of time... and not having constant turnover is huge for a young coach since I really can't afford turnover... But I see the season as more like a 60/20/20 break down for me... And a two to three season long cycle with players in various age levels... one season its going to be PM/Passing/Pace... the next I might switch to Pace/Passing/PM... and so on... but i think that longer training terms help younger coaches get a feel for trainees skill levels and help decide whether they are long term trainees... since we don't have the money to always buy 'known' talent level trainees, its a way to get a guage for skill in a proactive way...

I think its quite obvious and logical, you get more pops if you switch your training around frequently. That doesn't mean that the player gets better any faster using that method though. Just means he will ding quicker.

lol switching player's training frequently does not make him pop any faster. You just might bump up secondary skills that were on the edge quicker than they would if left to the osmosis/random training.

Not necessarily. As a player gets older and a skill gets higher, they take longer to pop. So you would get more pops total with a varied training program.

Well yeah, total pops would be affected by the level of the skill being training. So you would get more pops for training a tragic skill than you would a formidable one.

I'll just quit the argument and agree to disagree with the concept of switching training frequently.

Verdict: you get more low level skill pops by switching training :)

I would think it would apply for high level pops if you were only training two or three skills, as well.

I'm not convinced. Say there are 2 skills you are training. Let us say that they are both exactly excellent(10). And that every week I train he increases .25 of a skill, and the osmosis training is .1. Yes these are totally bogus made up numbers, but it doesn't matter.

Scenario A: I train skill 1 for 20 weeks so it gains 5 levels of skill. Skill 2 gets osmosis training for those 20 weeks so it goes up 2 levels of skill. So the total levels gained was 7.

Scenair B: I train skill 1 for 10 weeks and skill 2 for 10 weeks. Both go up 2.5 levels due to direct training and 1 level due to osmosis training. So the total levels gained was 7.

Now I know you will argue about age and whatnot. But the fact remains that at any given time your player can only improve so much do to direct training and so much do to osmosis training. Switching which skill gets the main training does not change the numbers. It just changes which skill is getting the large improvements.

My theory is that switching training frequently versus not changing will net you the same total amount of training. But yes if you are switching training to skills that are lower, they will pop faster because lower levels pop faster. But the amount of training remains the same.

So my thoughts are that long term training of a single skill is better because you can specialize your team around that and thus training is more efficient. Say you are training 22 young players in pace for 3 weeks. Then you switch to train 6 strikers in striking for 4 weeks. Those other 16 young players are getting the shaft. I would rather go with 22 young pace trainees at a time when I can devote 2-3 seasons towards it. Then I switch to the 6 strikers and train them up. When it gets time to train pace again, sell the 16 aging players and bring on better younguns to train up again.

You completely ignored the thing which makes your argument false, which is the age factor.

I agree with you when it comes to pace. Last time I trained pace it was for a season, and for the same reasons.

As a mid trainer thou, I think its to much to ask for me to train 1 skill for 2 seasons. Strikers have 3 main skills, mids have more skills to train.(5 if you include defending)

Well as a player gets older his skills do increase slower, but that is equal for all of the skills.

You are totally ignoring the fact that my Dad can beat up your Dad and that totally validates anything I say :P

Well he's got you there!

Let's use an example.

Let's say that if you spend one season training skill A, the first pop takes 3 weeks, the second pop takes 3.5 weeks, the third pop takes 4 weeks, and at the end of the season the player is in between pops 3 and 4.

Now, let's say that you're training skills A, B, and C. You could get one pop in each of those skills at three weeks, which would put you at week 9 of the season. That leaves you five weeks in the season, and you've already had the same number of pops as the first skill.

This is simplified of course, but the point is valid.