Asunto: UEFA Euro 2012 > Ukraine - Poland

I think your coach should think twice about the defence .. it looked horrible against Brazil mate :(

I know. Though I find confidence in that he didn't start with the strongest line-up. In the defense Bjelland should start before Kjaer and Lars Jacobsen rather than Daniel Wass. But we played the first half horribly yesterday.

Brasil - Denmark 3:1
Portugal - Macedonia 0:0
Switzerland - Germany 5:3
Netherlands - Bulgaria 1:2

group of death :p

Each of them are trying to get the others to underestimate them :p

FRANCE


GK : Cédric Carrasso (Bordeaux), Hugo Lloris (Lyon), Steve Mandanda (Marseille)

Defenders : Philippe Mexès (AC Milan), Adil Rami (Valence), Patrice Evra (Manchester United), Gaël Clichy (Manchester City), Laurent Koscielny (Arsenal), Mathieu Debuchy (Lille), Anthony Réveillère (Lyon)

Midfielders : Alou Diarra (Marseille), Marvin Martin (Sochaux), Blaise Matuidi (Paris SG), Yann Mvila (Rennes), Florent Malouda (Chelsea), Samir Nasri (Manchester City), Yohan Cabaye (Newcastle)

Forwards : Olivier Giroud (Montpellier), Jérémy Ménez (Paris SG), Mathieu Valbuena (Marseille), Karim Benzema (Real Madrid), Franck Ribéry (Bayern Munich), Hatem Ben Arfa (Newcastle)

Anybody saw the documentary about the level of racism and hate crimes in polish and ukrainian stadium ? Hardly to describe with words how intolerante people can be...why does nobody stop this in this country's ?




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disgusting!!!

I dont understand why Ukraine&Poland should not host the tournament. If there wasnt such a big tournament, there wouldnt be any attention on this subject and nothing would change.

Now it might change.

There is a problem with hooligans, but these are VERY small minority...

also these 'Jew attacks' during stadium chants etc. are rubbish

for example, when Wisla plays Cracovia [Krakow derby], the Wisla ultras sing that Cracovia is a Jewish club, the insult them etc. but on the other hand they have no problem in supporting Jewish players from Wisla [Dudu Bitton and Omar Melikson]

you can make such a movie in every bigger country, so please, don't let yourself get into this rubbish propaganda...ultras in Italy sung that 'if you jump, Balotelli will die', as for UK, here you have a quote from an article:

"The monkey chants that greeted Black English players at the November 2004,Spain v England game were sickening. A significant number of Spanish fans were involved in this odious behaviour. It followed Spanish Coach Luis Aragones earlier racist remark that Thierry Henry was a black shit.

There was outrage in England as scenes reminiscent of English football 20 years earlier were played out on our screens. The players should have been called off the pitch by the England management team. This would have been a clear statement to the racist fans in English and European football that racism and racist abuse of Black players will not be tolerated.

A week later Birmingham City player Dwight Yorke was racially abused by a small section of Blackburn Rovers fans. Yorke's Chairman David Sullivan accused him of over reacting; this shows ignorance of the problem. Yorke should not have to put up with racist abuse on or off the field of play.

John Barnes ex England International and Black, commented that the response of the English media was hypocritical. When Barnes played for Watford and Liverpool he suffered monkey chants and had bananas thrown at him by opposing fans, as did all black players at that time in the 1980's. At an Everton versus Liverpool derby match in 1987, Everton fans greeted Barnes and Liverpool with chants of 'niggerpool, n*********, n********* every time he touched the ball. At this time Everton and a whole number of other clubs did not sign or play Black players. "

You will find idiots on stadiums EVERYWHERE and it's really sickening that England, know for racist behaviour and insults on the stadiums is suddenly so shocked and anti-Polish/Ukrainian

Having said that, I'd recommend caution around the stadiums. Some knobhead from UEFA has said that they won't agree to have more than 120 policemen on the stadium - which is rubbish, considering how many thousands of people will be on the stadiums during the games. Polish side wanted to have a lot more of policemen, but they can't do a thing if UEFA disagrees...

Are you for real ? No stadiums in Holland allow fans to show nazi-sings such as banners and so more. No stadium in Holland has hundreds or thousands of people doing the "Heil Hitler".

And if you watched the movie you could see that Sol Campell(former english captain) admits that this somehwat reminds him of 10/15 years ago in England when the racisme there was on his fullest.

But this is absolutey NOT a small problem dude, white power signs and more stuff like that is everywhere in the stadiums and around that ? Minority ? please dont be so foolish, lets assume its a minority then they are causing very much trouble and behave like stupid primates...this is absolutey not normal is you ask me....but he maybe thats what the problem in Poland/Ukraine is. They rather closes there eyes instead to deal with it...


Hee, normal isnt it ? There are absolutely no problem's its only a minority... yeah right

Watch from 0.35. This movie the attackers are in minorty, but the rest of the crowd just lets it happen, doing nothing just look how a "minority" screws it up...cowards...




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No stadium in Holland has hundreds or thousands of people doing the "Heil Hitler".

I've been to many stadiums in Poland and I never saw people doing such things.

I consider it a terrible thing, believe me, and I think that such people should be taken to court and never ever enter any stadium at all. I'm not the one who makes the law, unfortunately - the world would be a better place.

The best part is that these morrons praise the nazi ideology - I guess they don't know that according to this ideology they should be killed because they are an inferior race.

And if you watched the movie you could see that Sol Campell(former english captain) admits that this somehwat reminds him of 10/15 years ago in England when the racisme there was on his fullest.

I don't have time now to watch the whole movie, I will do it later.
The thing is...what does Sol Campbell know about Polish stadiums? How many games in Poland has he seen...?

But this is absolutey NOT a small problem dude, white power signs and more stuff like that is everywhere in the stadiums and around that ? Minority ?

I never said that it is a small problem and yes, it IS a minority. And NO there aren't that many white power signs etc. on the stadiums. This movie, as every documentary, exaggerates what is actually happening.

And believe me, it's not only about Poland. Ultras communities are often full of ultra-right wing people, hence the anti-semitism, general xenophobia, nationalism etc. that you can seen in PARTS of the stadiums.

Here you have a photo from Spain - click

Another quote:

Racism in Europe once again came into the spotlight in 2006 when Barcelona striker Samuel Eto’o suffered racial abuse by fans of Real Zaragoza. Fans began to make monkey chants and verbal abuse and Eto’o finally threatened to leave the pitch in protest but was finally calmed down by his teammates. In another European racism event Atheltico Madrid was fined 600 Euros for racial comments against Espanyol’s Cameroon goalkeeper Carlo Kameni and Deportivo La Coruna.

Another news of European racism in football broke out when Ivorian defender Marc Zoro was abused by the visiting Inter Milan supporters with strong fascist views. Ex-Lazio player Paolo Di Canio found himself in deep waters after making the fascist salute to the Lazio fans in the stadium. Now with the World Cup just around the corner FIFA President Sepp Blatter has said that they will simply abandon the match if they find any element of European racism happening in the stadium which would affect the sports and individual leagues drastically.

Also, from what I've read many teams in Nederlands often make anti-semitic remarks during games against Ajax, please tell me that's not true and I'll laugh :-)

And racism is STILL present in England. Story from last season:



Here you have a video about racism in Europe from 2006:



And another quote:

- In Italy: the frequent racist abuse of Mario Balotelli when he played for Inter Milan, and the blithe acceptance of this inside Italian football. Simon Martin’s new book Sport Italia describes how, after Juventus fans chanted "There are no black Italians" during Inter’s visit to Turin in 2009, Italy’s under-21 manager Pierluigi Casiraghi said of Balotelli: "It's his personality that's irritating. It's not racism." Italy's then manager Marcello Lippi told high-school pupils that "cases of racism in football don’t exist in Italy." Perhaps it’s not total coincidence that Italy’s brightest young footballer now plays in the Premier League. I’d love to see Stefan Szymanski research whether wage discrimination still exists in Serie A.

- In Spain: The monkey noises that disappeared from English stadiums in the 1990s continue in Spain. Samuel Eto’o in his Barcelona days was a regular victim. Similarly, after Spain’s manager Luis Aragones called Thierry Henry a “negro de mierda” (“black shit”) in 2004, he simply offered up the classic racist’s defence: "Some of my best friends are black." Aragones was allowed to soldier on merrily, even becoming a national hero after Spain won Euro 2008. This week Espanyol's president gave his team's fans 'a 10' for their behaviour during the derby match against Barcelona, even though they had made monkey noises every time Dani Alves of Barca got the ball."

- In France: In 2010 the national team’s manager Laurent Blanc complained about France’s black players in a private meeting at the French federation. He said, "You have the feeling that we are producing really only one prototype of player: big, strong, fast... and who are the big, strong, fast players? The blacks. That's the way it is." He added, "The Spaniards told me, 'We don’t have a problem. We don’t have any black players.'" Today Blanc soldiers on merrily as France’s manager.

- In the Netherlands: At a board meeting of Ajax Amsterdam last summer, Johan Cruijff, the father of Dutch football, told his fellow board member Edgar Davids: "You’re only here because you’re black." Cruijff later shrugged off the remark: "'The baldie, that squinter, that redhead,' what does it matter? That's spoken language in football." Indeed it is, in most countries. Cruijff soldiers on merrily as Ajax’s guiding light.

- Don’t expect guidance from Fifa’s president Sepp Blatter. Last November he famously said about on-pitch racist abuse: "The one affected by this should say, ‘This is a game’ and shake hands." Blatter soldiers on merrily etc.

However, the English shouldn’t pat themselves on the back just yet. The Cruijff-Davids incident raises an interesting question: where are the black directors of English clubs? It’s hard to think of even one. Nor do you find many blacks in the most powerful post in English football. Trevor Phillips, head of Britain’s Equality and Human Rights Commission, pointed out to me in 2005: "Loads of black players on the field and none in the dugout."

That’s still true. Only in 2008 did Blackburn make Paul Ince the first black British manager in the Premier League. They sacked him after six months. Not even good results with Newcastle could save the black manager Chris Hughton in 2010: he had won the club promotion to the Premier League the season before, but four months into the new season, with Newcastle safely in eleventh place in the top division, he was sacked. "Regrettably the board now feels that an individual with more managerial experience is needed to take the club forward," the club explained. Newcastle finished the season twelfth.

True, the black managers Ruud Gullit and Jean Tigana got longer stints in the Premier League. Crucially, though, they were foreigners. They were perceived in Britain first of all as Dutch or French, and only secondarily as black. Gullit was cast as a typical sophisticated Dutch manager, not as an untried "black" one. The stereotype in English football still says that black Britons can’t manage. Any club appointing someone who is not a white male ex-player with a conservative haircut must worry about looking foolish if its choice fails. Hiring a black manager feels risky, because as Barnes says, "Black guys haven’t proved themselves as managers." White guys have - or at least some of them appear to have.


So please, star thinking, stop swallowing every rubbish the media throw at you...

Watch from 0.35. This movie the attackers are in minorty, but the rest of the crowd just lets it happen, doing nothing just look how a "minority" screws it up...cowards...

It's Ukraine. I'm talking about Poland.

One last thing - write "Ajax/Feyenoord/etc. hools" in youtube and you will find LOTS of movies with violence and probably racial slurs [I'm not sure because I don't know Dutch]

I do believe it's only a minority of the football fans. Unfortunately, that minority is always (and everywhere) highly represented in stadiums.

I agree that it should never have been organized in Ukraine though, but that's different matter.

Gohf will certainly know "Hamas, Hamas, Joden aan het gas!" by scum supporting Feyenoord. 'Hamas' and 'gas' are clear, 'Joden' = Jews. Okay, "Jews" is a nickname for Ajax (just like Anderlecht in Belgium), but it's still racist. It happens everywhere, unfortunately.

Going to watch Panorama now.
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