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2 years? The new training hasn’t even been in place for 1 year yet and that is including the few months of high level skills being really slow before they improved that aspect. We also had a period where we could train more players than usual as well.
For whoever has quit in the past year, it is still peanuts in comparison to what we’ve lost previously. I’m with borkos on this. At best your complaint is an opinion which might be true for some people (but not the majority). At worst it’s just another whinge because you don’t really like the change (and that’s fine but don’t try and claim that is the main reason for people leaving when it likely isn’t the case). Training is probably better overall than it’s ever been (with exceptions of length of season and if you want to lump injuries in here then yeah that too).
It’s far more likely that people are as borkos said, moving on due to various lifestyle factors with the younger generation not as interested in these kind of games anymore. There’s a reason why you don’t see a lot of web based games that require time sinks much these days (it’s just not popular). Also as a new user it can be a bit overwhelming trying to learn the ropes of this game and the investment it takes to get anywhere could be considered slow for a lot of people which could lead those users to decide to leave before they’ve established themselves. It’s also harder to retain users for smaller nations too as there’s less human interaction which creates several issues (which I’ll leave at that as there’s many topics about these issues already).
You’re entitled to your opinion and I do believe some may have left by the means you said but I strongly doubt that’s the sole or main reason.
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For whoever has quit in the past year, it is still peanuts in comparison to what we’ve lost previously. I’m with borkos on this. At best your complaint is an opinion which might be true for some people (but not the majority). At worst it’s just another whinge because you don’t really like the change (and that’s fine but don’t try and claim that is the main reason for people leaving when it likely isn’t the case). Training is probably better overall than it’s ever been (with exceptions of length of season and if you want to lump injuries in here then yeah that too).
It’s far more likely that people are as borkos said, moving on due to various lifestyle factors with the younger generation not as interested in these kind of games anymore. There’s a reason why you don’t see a lot of web based games that require time sinks much these days (it’s just not popular). Also as a new user it can be a bit overwhelming trying to learn the ropes of this game and the investment it takes to get anywhere could be considered slow for a lot of people which could lead those users to decide to leave before they’ve established themselves. It’s also harder to retain users for smaller nations too as there’s less human interaction which creates several issues (which I’ll leave at that as there’s many topics about these issues already).
You’re entitled to your opinion and I do believe some may have left by the means you said but I strongly doubt that’s the sole or main reason.
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80/253 Czech users are inactive for 30+ days
Among those, there is one that was last time logged in 459 days ago (16.1.2022), but somehow his club still did not become a bot
Among those, there is one that was last time logged in 459 days ago (16.1.2022), but somehow his club still did not become a bot
Overall out of 9362 users that exist in national leagues, 7467 logged in the last 50 days, 7023 logged in the last 30 days.
Looking at these logged in the last 30 days, here is how many of them were registered in each year:
Looking at these logged in the last 30 days, here is how many of them were registered in each year:
There are 662 new managers this year, or am I missing something?
Keep in mind that this number includes about 200 managers that registered in the last 30 days, logged in and will never come back. There will also be many others who won't be hooked by this game for long.
401-593 for 2021/2022 does seem quite optimistic though
shows that there actually is an influx of new users that stay, when they finish the game and start proper promotion it might actually work... we'll see
shows that there actually is an influx of new users that stay, when they finish the game and start proper promotion it might actually work... we'll see
Sokker had 3 important heart points that other games didn't have : Tactics, 2d/3d, training.
The live for some years there are also other games.
Remain tactic and training.
For about 2 years now, training has been destroyed, You could simply add 2-3 more skills without changing everything.
The last part of the heart is tactics, please.
In these 3 years many users have left the game, despite the changes, and the new subscribers don't even come close.
Sokker has about 7000 active users or maybe less.
It's not about advertising but some wrong modifications because after a long day of work and with all the problems of life we open this game to have fun.
Thank you
Everybody understood what Behmen wanted to say, again grow up and keep your tongue behind your teeth if you don't have anything smart to say except trying to simply deny or counter any ideas thrown on a sokker forum by other users, peace and Love.
Talking about facts mr borkos, you think that it's attractive to read your nonsense with almost each manager in this game? :D
The live for some years there are also other games.
Remain tactic and training.
For about 2 years now, training has been destroyed, You could simply add 2-3 more skills without changing everything.
The last part of the heart is tactics, please.
In these 3 years many users have left the game, despite the changes, and the new subscribers don't even come close.
Sokker has about 7000 active users or maybe less.
It's not about advertising but some wrong modifications because after a long day of work and with all the problems of life we open this game to have fun.
Thank you
Everybody understood what Behmen wanted to say, again grow up and keep your tongue behind your teeth if you don't have anything smart to say except trying to simply deny or counter any ideas thrown on a sokker forum by other users, peace and Love.
Talking about facts mr borkos, you think that it's attractive to read your nonsense with almost each manager in this game? :D
Keep in mind that this number includes about 200 managers that registered in the last 30 days, logged in and will never come back. There will also be many others who won't be hooked by this game for long
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It was important to know the number of users that don't connected from at least 45 50 days
Not sure if happening in other countries but there seem to be "spam" users in Canada
Like these users are registered and become inactive basically immediately... usually I look at transfers activity and they have none.
Then they never login after the first day or two.
Canada doesn't get a lot but it's like a 1-2 a month.
But just gives an impression the user base is growing but we have mostly these bot users.
So I wonder if larger countries could get these as well but on a larger scale
Like these users are registered and become inactive basically immediately... usually I look at transfers activity and they have none.
Then they never login after the first day or two.
Canada doesn't get a lot but it's like a 1-2 a month.
But just gives an impression the user base is growing but we have mostly these bot users.
So I wonder if larger countries could get these as well but on a larger scale
You can't compare today's "how many active users there are" with "how many users there were in the past according to the world page", because we don't know how many of these, taking example from borkos, 9667 users 4 years ago were active. Was that right after clearing all inactive users, or was there included 1k or 2k inactive users?
Maybe ramonymous could provide his historical data of active users in the last years if he has it.
Anyway: even if sokker lost some users in the last years it's nothing new, it's always been like that. It's inevitable that each year some of the longest playing users will stop playing. Small % of these leaving will say it's due to the changes, most will say nothing.
Changes are always hard, you can't make changes that will make everyone happy. Raul made some mistakes that could be easily avoided, many things could be done better, but saying like you do that "for about 2 years now, training has been destroyed" is simply not true.
Maybe ramonymous could provide his historical data of active users in the last years if he has it.
Anyway: even if sokker lost some users in the last years it's nothing new, it's always been like that. It's inevitable that each year some of the longest playing users will stop playing. Small % of these leaving will say it's due to the changes, most will say nothing.
Changes are always hard, you can't make changes that will make everyone happy. Raul made some mistakes that could be easily avoided, many things could be done better, but saying like you do that "for about 2 years now, training has been destroyed" is simply not true.
Not sure if happening in other countries but there seem to be "spam" users in Canada
It's just normal people that register, login, and see that's not the game they want to play. It could be improved, but even with things like: the best tutorial ever, greater user experience in the early game, email reminders that your team needs you (reminder emails from hattrick) - still most registered people will quit instantly, that's how it is.
For sure though Canada needs some bot cleaning :P
It's just normal people that register, login, and see that's not the game they want to play. It could be improved, but even with things like: the best tutorial ever, greater user experience in the early game, email reminders that your team needs you (reminder emails from hattrick) - still most registered people will quit instantly, that's how it is.
For sure though Canada needs some bot cleaning :P
yeah, in my B league, right now, almost every team technically has an owner...but I think only one team is active besides mine.
edit: because it's a slow work day, I did some drilling.
- In ALL of USA B leagues (6) there are 15 teams total who have executed any 'events' on the league page. I consider this the best measure of activity.
- in USA B1, all teams have owners, but 5 have a login in the past two weeks.
- in USA B2, all teams have owners, but 4 have a login in the past two weeks.
- in USA B3, all teams have owners, but 6 have a login in the past two weeks
- in USA B4, all teams have owners, but 3 have a login in the past two weeks
- in USA B5, all teams have owners, but only 1 have a login in the past two weeks
- in USA B6, all teams have owners, but 3 have a login in the past two weeks
So, that's a total of 22 teams out of 72 that could be considered even remotely active.
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edit: because it's a slow work day, I did some drilling.
- In ALL of USA B leagues (6) there are 15 teams total who have executed any 'events' on the league page. I consider this the best measure of activity.
- in USA B1, all teams have owners, but 5 have a login in the past two weeks.
- in USA B2, all teams have owners, but 4 have a login in the past two weeks.
- in USA B3, all teams have owners, but 6 have a login in the past two weeks
- in USA B4, all teams have owners, but 3 have a login in the past two weeks
- in USA B5, all teams have owners, but only 1 have a login in the past two weeks
- in USA B6, all teams have owners, but 3 have a login in the past two weeks
So, that's a total of 22 teams out of 72 that could be considered even remotely active.
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