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To be honest, i dont care about the taxes at beginning.
But if they have many updates for the outcome, so why they dont have updates from income??
And he said, i should invest in youth player. Fine. How about the others?? Indonesia and Polska is not same. Small clubs here dont have Academy, so they can have money only from tickets and sponsorship.
I mean, come on, balancing the income and outcome. Champions in Liga 1 and Ekstraklasa is totally different.
If devs can do that, i will agree their new rule taxes, even for 100%.
But if they have many updates for the outcome, so why they dont have updates from income??
And he said, i should invest in youth player. Fine. How about the others?? Indonesia and Polska is not same. Small clubs here dont have Academy, so they can have money only from tickets and sponsorship.
I mean, come on, balancing the income and outcome. Champions in Liga 1 and Ekstraklasa is totally different.
If devs can do that, i will agree their new rule taxes, even for 100%.
But if they have many updates for the outcome, so why they dont have updates from income??
Because there are no problems with Income so it doesnt need updates.
And he said, i should invest in youth player. Fine. How about the others?? Indonesia and Polska is not same. Small clubs here dont have Academy, so they can have money only from tickets and sponsorship.
There are mamy very cheap youths you can buy, train and sell with profit.
Because there are no problems with Income so it doesnt need updates.
And he said, i should invest in youth player. Fine. How about the others?? Indonesia and Polska is not same. Small clubs here dont have Academy, so they can have money only from tickets and sponsorship.
There are mamy very cheap youths you can buy, train and sell with profit.
unfortunately, I'm not agree with merge countries, i mean 1 league with different countries club? oh c'mon
but i agree if we merge at asian adn oceania champions league it would be very interesting, because champions cup isn't fair for small country like us :)
but i agree if we merge at asian adn oceania champions league it would be very interesting, because champions cup isn't fair for small country like us :)
I mean, come on, balancing the income and outcome. Champions in Liga 1 and Ekstraklasa is totally different.
You're right - it is way easier for you.
Players from Indonesia youth school will sell on average for more than the same junior would from a big country like Romania, Poland.
To be able to compete in Ekstraklasa - it is brutal. Only possible when you're save a lot of money before hand; play a couple of seasons (you will constantly lose money) until you run out of money. Fall a couple divisions, train,sell, rebuild youir balance and try again.
In your case it is quite easy to balance between having a winning team and focus on juniors to train and profit from.
@masuer - I think it is a cultural thing. People outside of Poland take neutral language as aggresive for some reason. I don't know why but I saw multiple times that borkos gets told a lot that he is not considerate/aggresive etc. while he always gives amazing advice to anyone willing to listen and not just whine.
You're right - it is way easier for you.
Players from Indonesia youth school will sell on average for more than the same junior would from a big country like Romania, Poland.
To be able to compete in Ekstraklasa - it is brutal. Only possible when you're save a lot of money before hand; play a couple of seasons (you will constantly lose money) until you run out of money. Fall a couple divisions, train,sell, rebuild youir balance and try again.
In your case it is quite easy to balance between having a winning team and focus on juniors to train and profit from.
@masuer - I think it is a cultural thing. People outside of Poland take neutral language as aggresive for some reason. I don't know why but I saw multiple times that borkos gets told a lot that he is not considerate/aggresive etc. while he always gives amazing advice to anyone willing to listen and not just whine.
I've done it, before my team became as big as it is now. Up and down divisions, repeating to build the team when relegated, adjusting finances, and so on. I don't even bother with the dev policy regarding the recent financial reform. When relegated, I can use my young players. Now, when my team is getting bigger and consistent, this new tax rule seems to hit me again and makes me have a dilemma. If they say, investing in young players is the key, then I have to give a different answer. I could sell all my senior players and set a minimum price that can avoid tax. However, is there a guarantee that they can be sold at a high price? How can I build a strong team, build a quality academy, if the income is far below what is needed? If you think that income management is not a problem, try surveying small countries like ours. How are their finances with rules like this. Even if in the end I'm wrong, I will admit it.
You like many people don't understand that you don't make good money based on sponsors etc.
You make money by training and transferring. That's why in Poland you make most money when staying in lowest leagues, even though you get less from sponsors and tickets - but you can train easily 16-17yo players.
You build a strong team by investing in young players, training them, then selling them with huge profit.
Then you buy better young players, train them, then sell them with even bigger profit.
And so on till you have enough resources for a decent 1st team AND still have enough money for 10 good youths for training.
You don't make a good team only by buying 35 year old players for first team. You're actually only losing money this way and in long-term your team becomes weaker.
You had a lot of luck in youth school, you received a lot of money out of nothing and it could have given you a very good start, but you wasted what you received because you spent all of that money on old players just so you could have one good season now. And after that season or two those players lost most of their value so instead of becoming stronger, you destroyed that potential.
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You make money by training and transferring. That's why in Poland you make most money when staying in lowest leagues, even though you get less from sponsors and tickets - but you can train easily 16-17yo players.
You build a strong team by investing in young players, training them, then selling them with huge profit.
Then you buy better young players, train them, then sell them with even bigger profit.
And so on till you have enough resources for a decent 1st team AND still have enough money for 10 good youths for training.
You don't make a good team only by buying 35 year old players for first team. You're actually only losing money this way and in long-term your team becomes weaker.
You had a lot of luck in youth school, you received a lot of money out of nothing and it could have given you a very good start, but you wasted what you received because you spent all of that money on old players just so you could have one good season now. And after that season or two those players lost most of their value so instead of becoming stronger, you destroyed that potential.
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Well, I'm fed up with it all. You say it easily because you are not in a small country like us. We don't have as many users as your country. We don't have a big league structure like your country. From there, we are also unable to produce great players in large numbers, unlike your country. I have known Sokker since 2010. And since I came back to play three years ago, the number of countries has never changed. In fact, Sokker has lost one country with no users at all. Instead of making a policy about taxes, make a policy that can increase competition between clubs and national teams to be more competitive. Think about it.
I will even give you an example.
You paid 700 000 euro - 1m euro for players that had 35 or even 37 years.
I paid 325 000 for this player.
Matěj Kyjovský, age: 16
club: The Evil`s, country: Česká republika
value : 172 000 zł
wage: 2 500 zł
formidable [11] form
average [5] tactical discipline
height: 172 cm, weight: 74.3 kg, BMI: 25.11
tragic [0] stamina tragic [0] keeper
adequate [6] pace average [5] defender
weak [4] technique poor [3] playmaker
adequate [6] passing weak [4] striker
His pace/defender/playmaker are very close to +1.
As I've said, I paid 325k for him. Now he is worth at least 4 000 000 - 5 000 000 euro. So please don't say that "you don't have money for young players". You do, you had enough to buy 10 very good young players for training. You could have turned that 6m euro into 20m euro easily. Instead you just burned that money.
That's how you increase your money and potential, not by paying big money for old players that you will use for 10 weeks.
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You paid 700 000 euro - 1m euro for players that had 35 or even 37 years.
I paid 325 000 for this player.
Matěj Kyjovský, age: 16
club: The Evil`s, country: Česká republika
value : 172 000 zł
wage: 2 500 zł
formidable [11] form
average [5] tactical discipline
height: 172 cm, weight: 74.3 kg, BMI: 25.11
tragic [0] stamina tragic [0] keeper
adequate [6] pace average [5] defender
weak [4] technique poor [3] playmaker
adequate [6] passing weak [4] striker
His pace/defender/playmaker are very close to +1.
As I've said, I paid 325k for him. Now he is worth at least 4 000 000 - 5 000 000 euro. So please don't say that "you don't have money for young players". You do, you had enough to buy 10 very good young players for training. You could have turned that 6m euro into 20m euro easily. Instead you just burned that money.
That's how you increase your money and potential, not by paying big money for old players that you will use for 10 weeks.
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look at my team also with small community.. its one of the youngest and still play good :D and have 20mil on the bank :D ( not sokker bank btw :"D ) jk :D
I started this project 4 seasons ago with full young team (16 and 17 y old) and i am on half way to the final stage where I can think about winning the league first time since I play sokker (this is my 3rd team after getting banned 2 times when i was childish :/ :D
I started this project 4 seasons ago with full young team (16 and 17 y old) and i am on half way to the final stage where I can think about winning the league first time since I play sokker (this is my 3rd team after getting banned 2 times when i was childish :/ :D
You dont understand my words. So, stop this nonsense.
If you think, this is not a mistake, fine. Enjoy your game.
If you think, this is not a mistake, fine. Enjoy your game.
I mean... it's just neutral language :P
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SORRY, I must disagree, hardly anything is neutral in Poland!
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SORRY, I must disagree, hardly anything is neutral in Poland!
Borkos is right... im from small country too.... 15 active users.. its easy to both win titles, get plus on weekly finances and train young players to keep the economy going for buying the players to win titles with, with just the tiniest effort....
Problem is as said, you burned out all your money on old players, which ALWAYS fall in value over short or long time... but you had No source of income from training young players to gather money to pay for the competitive players...
But you dont want to read it.. I dont think its possible to make you understand... I honestly dont get why borkos try tell the truth to ignorant People not Willing to listen all the time
Its EASIER to get money in small country then in big....... trust me, I had between 72 and 83 marks team for over an decade now in small country... this tax is about short trading, not your managerial failure
Birds Arent real
Problem is as said, you burned out all your money on old players, which ALWAYS fall in value over short or long time... but you had No source of income from training young players to gather money to pay for the competitive players...
But you dont want to read it.. I dont think its possible to make you understand... I honestly dont get why borkos try tell the truth to ignorant People not Willing to listen all the time
Its EASIER to get money in small country then in big....... trust me, I had between 72 and 83 marks team for over an decade now in small country... this tax is about short trading, not your managerial failure
Birds Arent real
I lose around 15-20 m eu on my A team each season to win titles... but I make it up on training young players (not academy, but mostly transfer)
You havent caught how to make money
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You havent caught how to make money
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And the updates for income came first... tickets price adjustable And 2 league games per week.... so you had that part you want right there
Sponsormoney, prizemoney, money from tickets, ... It's all very marginal compared to income through training. You can financially compensate to be 2 leagues lower and play for training instead of results with the trainingprofit of 1 trainee to put it boldly.