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was the server down last night for long time and will devs do something about transfers?
update was ~5h in the morning and at least some transfer were pushed by 10h
i saw that this morning. and they extended the deadline for more then 10 hours :)
My proposal for an International Cup:
International Cup – Features
The international Cup has the following general characteristics:
• involves ALL Sokker teams
• It has three levels: International Gold Cup, International Silver Cup, International Bronze Cup
• All teams play thirteen games, one for each week of the season
• All teams tend to face opponents of the same or similar level
• At the end of the season each team reaches a position in their Cup between 1st and 256th
International Cup – Structure
The basic unit of the International Cup is the Tournament. Each Tournament includes 256 participants, divided into 32 groups of 8 teams each. The structure is as follows:
International Gold Cup: 1 Tournament (256 total participating teams)
International Silver Cup: 6 Tournaments (1536 total participating teams)
International Bronze Cup: 36 Tournaments (9216 total participating teams)
Note: The structure and number of Tournaments may vary as Sokker develops, but the basic unit will continue to be the Tournament consisting of 256 teams.
How the Tournament works
The Tournament, the basic unit of all levels of the International Cup, has 256 participants, divided into 32 groups of 8 teams each. The teams face each other in seven one-way games, from week 1 to week 7. In each of the 32 groups we obtain a ranking from first to eighth place. In week 8 the head-to-head phase begins, in which all 256 teams participate.
The top 32 teams battle for positions 1-32
The 32 runners-up battle for positions 33-64
The 32 third-placed teams battle for positions 65 - 96
The 32 fourth-placed teams fight for positions 97 -128
The 32 fifth-placed teams battle for positions 129 - 160
The 32 sixth-placed teams battle for positions 161 - 192
The 32 seventh-placed teams battle for positions 193 - 224
The 32 eighth-ranked teams fight for positions 225 – 256
The 16 winners of the first round of the top-ranked teams fight for positions 1-16
The 16 first-round losers battle for positions 17 – 32
The 16 winners of the first round of the second-ranked battle for positions 33 – 48
….
….
The 16 losers of the first round of the eighth-ranked teams fight for positions 241 - 256
At the end of the head-to-head phase, in week thirteen, all 128 FINALs are played:
The final for first and second place
The final for third and fourth place
….
….
The final for 253rd and 254th place
The final for 255th and 256th place
International Cup – Selection of participants at the three levels Gold, Silver, Bronze
The fundamental concept of the International Cup is to compare teams of similar value.
Participants in the International Cup are assigned to the three levels Gold, Silver and Bronze based on two factors:
1) their position in the rankings in the recently concluded national championship
2) A parameter proportional to the number of active users in the national championship to which they belong and to the value of the teams participating in the national championship to which they belong, to determine the number of participants from each nation.
Note: Why isn't parameter two simply proportional to the number of active users in your country?
Answer: because if a nation has a rapid increase in membership, the average value of its teams will be low. In order not to inflate the Gold Cup with many low-level teams, we moderate the parameter by averaging it with a number that indicates the average value of the teams participating, for example, in the A and B series of that particular country, to reduce the number of participants in the most competitive Cups who come from countries with teams of very low average value.
I could be more precise in the math, but that's not important now.
Let's take an example, considering for the moment only the number of active users.
Let's take three examples: Poland, Argentina and South Africa
Poland has 1999 users, 22.95% of the total
Argentina has 402 users, 4.62% of the total
South Africa has 65 users, 0.75% of the total
Poland would participate
at the International Gold Cup with around 59 teams
to the International Silver Cup with approximately 352 teams
at the International Bronze Cup with approximately 2115 teams (including many BOTs)
Argentina would participate
at the International Gold Cup with around 12 teams
at the International Silver Cup with around 71 teams
at the International Bronze Cup with approximately 426 teams (including many BOTs)
South Africa would participate
at the International Gold Cup with around 2 teams
at the International Silver Cup with around 12 teams
at the International Bronze Cup with around 69 teams (including many BOTs)
This means that the Polish teams from the First Division (12), all the Polish teams from the second division (36), the 9 first-placed teams from the Third Division groups and the two best second-placed teams from the Third Division groups would participate in the International Gold Cup.
The other Polish teams from the Third Division (97) and 255 teams from the IV division would participate in the International Silver Cup, i.e. approximately up to the tenth place in each group. All other Polish teams would participate in the International Bronze Cup
Argentine teams from the First Division would participate in the International Gold Cup (12)
All the Argentine Second Division teams and the best 35 Third Division teams, i.e. those ranked from first to fourth place, would participate in the International Silver Cup. All other Argentine teams would participate in the International Bronze Cup
The top two South African teams from the First Division would participate in the International Gold Cup
All the other South African First Division teams and the best 2 Second Division teams would participate in the International Silver Cup. All other South African teams would participate in the International Bronze Cup
Conclusions
The three levels of the International Cup would allow all sokker teams to have exciting challenges every week against international teams of similar level.
Friendlies would become non-essential and we could improve the training level of our players.
At the end of each season we would read messages in the team's History like: the team ranked 73rd in the Tournemant 05 of the International Silver Cup. Everyone's dream would be to participate in the International Gold Cup, but it wouldn't be an impossible dream. In any case, everyone would participate in competitive international championships.
Teams from small nations would finally have a fun tournament to participate in.
International Cup – Features
The international Cup has the following general characteristics:
• involves ALL Sokker teams
• It has three levels: International Gold Cup, International Silver Cup, International Bronze Cup
• All teams play thirteen games, one for each week of the season
• All teams tend to face opponents of the same or similar level
• At the end of the season each team reaches a position in their Cup between 1st and 256th
International Cup – Structure
The basic unit of the International Cup is the Tournament. Each Tournament includes 256 participants, divided into 32 groups of 8 teams each. The structure is as follows:
International Gold Cup: 1 Tournament (256 total participating teams)
International Silver Cup: 6 Tournaments (1536 total participating teams)
International Bronze Cup: 36 Tournaments (9216 total participating teams)
Note: The structure and number of Tournaments may vary as Sokker develops, but the basic unit will continue to be the Tournament consisting of 256 teams.
How the Tournament works
The Tournament, the basic unit of all levels of the International Cup, has 256 participants, divided into 32 groups of 8 teams each. The teams face each other in seven one-way games, from week 1 to week 7. In each of the 32 groups we obtain a ranking from first to eighth place. In week 8 the head-to-head phase begins, in which all 256 teams participate.
The top 32 teams battle for positions 1-32
The 32 runners-up battle for positions 33-64
The 32 third-placed teams battle for positions 65 - 96
The 32 fourth-placed teams fight for positions 97 -128
The 32 fifth-placed teams battle for positions 129 - 160
The 32 sixth-placed teams battle for positions 161 - 192
The 32 seventh-placed teams battle for positions 193 - 224
The 32 eighth-ranked teams fight for positions 225 – 256
The 16 winners of the first round of the top-ranked teams fight for positions 1-16
The 16 first-round losers battle for positions 17 – 32
The 16 winners of the first round of the second-ranked battle for positions 33 – 48
….
….
The 16 losers of the first round of the eighth-ranked teams fight for positions 241 - 256
At the end of the head-to-head phase, in week thirteen, all 128 FINALs are played:
The final for first and second place
The final for third and fourth place
….
….
The final for 253rd and 254th place
The final for 255th and 256th place
International Cup – Selection of participants at the three levels Gold, Silver, Bronze
The fundamental concept of the International Cup is to compare teams of similar value.
Participants in the International Cup are assigned to the three levels Gold, Silver and Bronze based on two factors:
1) their position in the rankings in the recently concluded national championship
2) A parameter proportional to the number of active users in the national championship to which they belong and to the value of the teams participating in the national championship to which they belong, to determine the number of participants from each nation.
Note: Why isn't parameter two simply proportional to the number of active users in your country?
Answer: because if a nation has a rapid increase in membership, the average value of its teams will be low. In order not to inflate the Gold Cup with many low-level teams, we moderate the parameter by averaging it with a number that indicates the average value of the teams participating, for example, in the A and B series of that particular country, to reduce the number of participants in the most competitive Cups who come from countries with teams of very low average value.
I could be more precise in the math, but that's not important now.
Let's take an example, considering for the moment only the number of active users.
Let's take three examples: Poland, Argentina and South Africa
Poland has 1999 users, 22.95% of the total
Argentina has 402 users, 4.62% of the total
South Africa has 65 users, 0.75% of the total
Poland would participate
at the International Gold Cup with around 59 teams
to the International Silver Cup with approximately 352 teams
at the International Bronze Cup with approximately 2115 teams (including many BOTs)
Argentina would participate
at the International Gold Cup with around 12 teams
at the International Silver Cup with around 71 teams
at the International Bronze Cup with approximately 426 teams (including many BOTs)
South Africa would participate
at the International Gold Cup with around 2 teams
at the International Silver Cup with around 12 teams
at the International Bronze Cup with around 69 teams (including many BOTs)
This means that the Polish teams from the First Division (12), all the Polish teams from the second division (36), the 9 first-placed teams from the Third Division groups and the two best second-placed teams from the Third Division groups would participate in the International Gold Cup.
The other Polish teams from the Third Division (97) and 255 teams from the IV division would participate in the International Silver Cup, i.e. approximately up to the tenth place in each group. All other Polish teams would participate in the International Bronze Cup
Argentine teams from the First Division would participate in the International Gold Cup (12)
All the Argentine Second Division teams and the best 35 Third Division teams, i.e. those ranked from first to fourth place, would participate in the International Silver Cup. All other Argentine teams would participate in the International Bronze Cup
The top two South African teams from the First Division would participate in the International Gold Cup
All the other South African First Division teams and the best 2 Second Division teams would participate in the International Silver Cup. All other South African teams would participate in the International Bronze Cup
Conclusions
The three levels of the International Cup would allow all sokker teams to have exciting challenges every week against international teams of similar level.
Friendlies would become non-essential and we could improve the training level of our players.
At the end of each season we would read messages in the team's History like: the team ranked 73rd in the Tournemant 05 of the International Silver Cup. Everyone's dream would be to participate in the International Gold Cup, but it wouldn't be an impossible dream. In any case, everyone would participate in competitive international championships.
Teams from small nations would finally have a fun tournament to participate in.
I think that the it would be more interesting for football lovers to be played the
Copa Libertadores
Copa Sudamericana
Copa Sudamericana B
Champions League
UEFA
UEFA B
3 level of Cups divided in two regions
instead of 3 as you say. 6- 3 and 3
Copa Libertadores
Copa Sudamericana
Copa Sudamericana B
Champions League
UEFA
UEFA B
3 level of Cups divided in two regions
instead of 3 as you say. 6- 3 and 3
Also you should have a better Champions Cup page, page for these cups, and also for national cup where you can see All champions in order, all finals history, etc.
We can't use original names of the cups, so forget about UEFA, Cope Libertadores etc.
To be honest I'm curious how you got away with using FA Cup in England.
